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Old 08-14-2013, 10:56 AM   #1161
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I dont think so. I might be talking about something else. Like you see a set with a 7-6 score...it would be cool to see a stat like "non-service points/rallies won". You could see see how many games they scored 30 points or got it to deuce. Break points only shows how many times they got to 40 or advantage.
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:57 AM   #1162
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1st and 2nd serve points won percentage sort of indicate that.
the importance of those could vary hugely depending on how many 1st serves are going in. if the server is throwing down aces and unreturnables on most of their 1st serves, even a 0% 2nd serve win wouldn't matter too much.

blah...tennis shouldn't have so much math. just gives us total number of points won on serve and return, or total time on serve. actually I like IBM's momentum graph at the slams, sums up all the nasty numbers in a visual my Neanderthal brain can understand.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:00 AM   #1163
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Maybe combine the service points and non-service points together for a plus/minus stat on rallies won vs lost
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:12 AM   #1164
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where's the tennis moneyball nerds when you need them? I'd totally be interested to know what Djokovic's Corsi or Murray's Fenwick Close are leading up to the USO.

in other news, Arthur Ashe finally gets a roof, thank god:
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/.../#.Ugu4eITna70

sorry Mango, too late for your trip so hopefully you don't get a hurricane this year. honestly, if the Romans were able to build a retractable roof over the coliseum, they should figure out how to do it at Flushing so I don't have to keep taking off work early on that extra Monday for the final.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:21 AM   #1165
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Bouchard vs Serena Williams is on sportsnet one right now....just started.

Bouchard breaks Serena in the first game of the match!
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:26 AM   #1166
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Bouchard vs Serena Williams is on sportsnet one right now....just started.

Bouchard breaks Serena in the first game of the match!
Did Genie break her? Or did Serena break herself?
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:27 AM   #1167
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Genie broke her! hit a few winners!

Vasek serving for the mach has blown 2 match points.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:29 AM   #1168
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where's the tennis moneyball nerds when you need them?
Exactly, I don't need a big server, power baseline striker, or great net play.

Winning Rallies win the game, games win the sets, sets win the game.

Find me players who just win more rallies! Its like the tennis equivalent to the On Base Percentage
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:30 AM   #1169
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I dont think so. I might be talking about something else. Like you see a set with a 7-6 score...it would be cool to see a stat like "non-service points/rallies won". You could see see how many games they scored 30 points or got it to deuce. Break points only shows how many times they got to 40 or advantage.

how about total return points

at 6-5 duece in the 3rd
Goffin 36/102
Pospisil 48/111

That's all the math I can take.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:30 AM   #1170
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Genie broke her! hit a few winners!

Vasek serving for the mach has blown 2 match points.
I'm on a train to Montreal to fly back to Calgary, ViaRail slapped my hand for streaming an earlier match.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:31 AM   #1171
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Did Genie break her? Or did Serena break herself?
Serena has certainly had a few unforced errors....but Bouchard is rallying really well so far...shes placing the ball really well making Serena run all over the court
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:32 AM   #1172
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vasek is broken

off to the final set tiebreak.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:34 AM   #1173
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Vasek up *4-2 at the midpoint of the tiebreak.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:36 AM   #1174
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Match Point!
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:36 AM   #1175
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Vasek up 6-3 in the tiebreak...
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #1176
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6-3 and two serves! he's blown it!

6-6 at the 2nd changeover.
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:38 AM   #1177
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He certainly doesn't like winning his matches easily...(Pospisil)
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:39 AM   #1178
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Where are you all watching the pospisil match?
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:40 AM   #1179
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Ugh, match point now for Goffin, 7-6, c'mon Vasek!
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Old 08-14-2013, 11:40 AM   #1180
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Can anyone tell me how close the second break game was for Bouchard? Still hitting winners?
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