[Signing] Gagner signs 3 year deal

[GGG]

I think this signing is a little high. I would have thought 3 yrs/4million would be the going rate for a 2nd line center. Not terrible but it sure seems like RFA's have been refusing to take any kind of discount compared to the UFA market.

I don't think anyone should ever say anything bad about Glencross and is 2.5million dollar deal.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TKB

Doesn't seem like that bad of a deal at all. Funny reading some of the comments in here about a overpayment. If Gagner played for anyone but the oilers the mood would be much much different.

Look at the comparables in terms of salary and tell me that you'd take him over them for more money.

The guy once scored 49 points.

How is that worth almost $5M and an NTC?

[Miniac]

4.8 still seems a bit steep for Gagners and this deal has a no trade, no move as well in the final 2 years only though.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Locke

Look at the comparables in terms of salary and tell me that you'd take him over them for more money.

The guy once scored 49 points.

How is that worth almost $5M and an NTC?

I dunno. How is David Clarkson worth 5.25 fôr 7 years with one season over 40 points?

That's the market.


Mostly all the free agents this offseason had some warts but they all got paid.

Gagner had some good ammo going into arbitration. 64 points over his last 82 games. Top 30-40 in league scoring last season.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I dunno. How is David Clarkson worth 5.25 fôr 7 years with one season over 40 points?

That's the market.

Mostly all the free agents this offseason had some major warts.

He isnt. That was nonsense. But no one said it was a great deal, and Clarkson was UFA and not RFA.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Husky

That is a horrible deal unless Gagner can:

1 - find consistency in his game. It seems like he would have a few multi point games and then dissapear for a while.
2 - Be a 50-60 point player.

He is getting paid like a #1 center tweener....hell have to produce like it going forward.

I don't know, I think we're still not used to seeing the real prices for players yet. Without fudging cap numbers by offering rediculous term, todays price for a top line center seems to be 8 million with maximum term. A good two way guy who can get 60 points is a 6+ player, and any secondary guy capable of putting up 50'ish points is in the 5 million dollar range. With a 64 million dollar cap that looks like it's only going up from here..these are the prices that teams are paying.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

Look at the comparables in terms of salary and tell me that you'd take him over them for more money.

The guy once scored 49 points.

How is that worth almost $5M and an NTC?

Yeah, but consider the contract can be broken into two parts....

1 year deal worth about 4.25 million and the NTC, NMC does not apply. That signs 24 year old RFA Gagner.

Than there are two more years worth an average of about 5.1 with the NMC. A 25 year old UFA center who can score 50 points...who will sign a 2 year deal probably gets that type of money quite easily.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I dunno. How is David Clarkson worth 5.25 fôr 7 years with one season over 40 points?

That's the market.

Clarkson is way overpaid and as mentioned on a UFA contract.

He also brings a lot more to the table than just scoring as opposed to Gagner who offers 0 (or less than 0 considering how much of a liability he is) when not scoring.

[Ezio]

Oilers were forced into the contract, their C depth without Gagner goes from putrid to garbage. I don't think he plays out this contract and I think he'll be part of a package for a better center before his contract ends. MacT doesn't seem like a fan.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Outside of drafting Nurse who likely wont be ready right away, the Oukers have done nothing this offseason to fill their greatest needs. They tried to acquire Schneider but failed. They still haven't added size and physicality on their top two lines instead dealing for Perron, a player of a type they aren't exactly lacking in (average sized skilled forward.) They haven't added a top end defenceman outside of Nurse. And now they've got Gagner on an expensive deal.

MacT is trying but has so far failed to make a significant move forward for the Oil

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Oilers were forced into the contract, their C depth without Gagner goes from putrid to garbage. I don't think he plays out this contract and I think he'll be part of a package for a better center before his contract ends. MacT doesn't seem like a fan.

Yeah, but so what? We saw last year that you dont actually need NHL centres, just throw whoever into the middle of the ice and you're good!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I dunno. How is David Clarkson worth 5.25 fôr 7 years with one season over 40 points?

That's the market.


Mostly all the free agents this offseason had some warts but they all got paid.

Gagner had some good ammo going into arbitration. 64 points over his last 82 games. Top 30-40 in league scoring last season.

over the last 2 years Gagner's linemates have been Paajarvi and Hemsky.

A blue chip prospect that the Oiler's gave up on and a 5M/yr star that the Oilers would dump if they could. Gagner did not and does not make his linemates better.


Elias... at age 37 got a 3 year 5.5M contract after playing on a line with Clarkson. Zajac while playing with Clarkson singed his 8 year 5.75M deal.

Playing with Gagner did not help his line-mates. Clarkson does.

If Clarkson can make Bozak or Kadri into true #1 6-7M dollar centres then his contract will not seem so bad.

I thought the Flames would be helped a lot by Clarkson in that it would give Backlund and Baertschi a chance to develop. The Flames are now hoping for David Jones to do that role. less risk of a franchise crippling contract but more risk in it not working out. Still a much better option than any of the Oilers tiny top 6.

[Stupid]

Edmonton posters over on their board seem happy enough with the signing.

As a Flames fan I am mildly pleased with this. He doesn't strike fear into my heart or anything.

I think he'd be a good fit on another team with better support staff to support the strengths in his game.

I think he's a poor fit for the oilers which is why I guess I'm mildly pleased with this.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Stupid

Edmonton posters over on their board seem happy enough with the signing.

As a Flames fan I am mildly pleased with this. He doesn't strike fear into my heart or anything.

I think he'd be a good fit on another team with better support staff to support the strengths in his game.

I think he's a poor fit for the oilers which is why I guess I'm mildly pleased with this.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think that Gagner is a decent option on a bad team, but a mid level player on a good team. I don't know if this deal is a good deal. He was probably one of those players that they should have moved while his value was high.

At least the term isn't terribly long.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

over the last 2 years Gagner's linemates have been Paajarvi and Hemsky.

A blue chip prospect that the Oiler's gave up on and a 5M/yr star that the Oilers would dump if they could. Gagner did not and does not make his linemates better.


Elias... at age 37 got a 3 year 5.5M contract after playing on a line with Clarkson. Zajac while playing with Clarkson singed his 8 year 5.75M deal.

Playing with Gagner did not help his line-mates. Clarkson does.

If Clarkson can make Bozak or Kadri into true #1 6-7M dollar centres then his contract will not seem so bad.

I thought the Flames would be helped a lot by Clarkson in that it would give Backlund and Baertschi a chance to develop. The Flames are now hoping for David Jones to do that role. less risk of a franchise crippling contract but more risk in it not working out. Still a much better option than any of the Oilers tiny top 6.

What makes you think Elias (and Zajac) didn't pull Clarkson's game up?

[MissTeeks]

Chris Johnston‏@reporterchris42s

Craig MacTavish tells Prime Time Sports that he's made a verbal promise to Sam Gagner that he won't be dealt before NMC kicks in next summer

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Chris Johnston‏@reporterchris42s

Craig MacTavish tells Prime Time Sports that he's made a verbal promise to Sam Gagner that he won't be dealt before NMC kicks in next summer

Maybe he should talk to his new buddy Ference about this situation. hehehe

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

What makes you think Elias (and Zajac) didn't pull Clarkson's game up?

Maybe...but the year before Clarkson scored 30 goals with no fixed linemates.

He surely was at the very least playing at their level and getting them to be productive.


Stark comparison to Gagner's linemates who had good reputations/qualifications when they started playing on his line and their value has fallen drastically.

[Caged Great]

I like it because with each contract like this, the less they'll be able to afford a good supporting cast meaning they won't be a threat to anyone long term.