[Signing] Gagner signs 3 year deal

[tempz]

Per Darren Dreger NMC is only in years two and three of the contract, not in year one. Interesting.

Edit: I need to read better, DD said only year two.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 20m Gagner deal with Oilers: (1)$4.4mil, (2)$5mil and (3)$5mil. No-trade and no-move in year 2 of 3 year deal...only. Interesting contract.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by Husky

That is a horrible deal unless Gagner can:

1 - find consistency in his game. It seems like he would have a few multi point games and then dissapear for a while.
2 - Be a 50-60 point player.

He is getting paid like a #1 center tweener....hell have to produce like it going forward.

The whole team needs to work on their consistency, but Sam wasn't bad. He had a prorated 65 point season.

Also, players prime are typical 24-28. Sam turns 24 next month and will be 24, 25, and 26 for this contract. I'm not saying he'll be past his prime, but this contract will be right in it.

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[kyuss275]

The NMC not kicking in until the 2nd year is interesting. Will not be surprised if he is traded before it kicks in. Oilers will want a bigger 2nd line center and there is nothing out on the market right now.

The money is a little high, but not as bad as some are making it out to be. He was on pace for a 60+ point season this year and is very young.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Husky

Gagner is a Mike Comrie type player. Will have the odd good offensive season but if your team is depending on his for a top 6 center...your in trouble.

I agree. If you look at his point alone then I see why some think this is an ok deal but he is soft and wins low 40% of his faceoffs. I don't see him being a player that helps you win come playoff time

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

For those suggesting Gagner should have been traded, would you be happy if the Oilers were your team and Boyd Gordon was all of a sudden your #2 centre?

lol

nice false dichotomy

to the bold: no

[Ozy_Flame]

Glencross, I love you.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The insanity in Edmonton Continues:

RNH 6-0 171
Eberle 5-10 174
Gagner 5-11 191
Hall 5-11 180
Yakipov 5-11 190
Perron 5-11 170 - 195 (various sources)
Justin Schultz 6-1 163
Hemsky 6-0 192

If you think those numbers are accurate I've got some magic beans for sale. Are your sources from when they were 15 or something? Its all fine to bash the oilers, but have some basis in reality.

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[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by tempz

Per Darren Dreger NMC is only in years two and three of the contract, not in year one. Interesting.

Isn't that normal? I thought NTC/NMC clauses didn't kick in untill it was in contract years when you would have been UFA age. He isn't UFA age until year 2. Wasn't that Jeff Carter's problem when they traded him from Philly?

[tempz]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Isn't that normal? I thought NTC/NMC clauses didn't kick in untill it was in contract years when you would have been UFA age. He isn't UFA age until year 2. Wasn't that Jeff Carter's problem when they traded him from Philly?

Yep you are absolutely correct on further analysis, he's UFA eligible after 7 seasons which will be this upcoming one. And NMC can only be applied to UFA eligible contract years.

[MissTeeks]

Hmm, Kypreos is saying he only has a NMC in year 2:

Nick Kypreos‏@RealKyper16m
Told Gagner new #Oilers 3 deal includes no move in year 2 only. They do have the freedom to trade his rights in yr 1 and yr 3 of the deal.

[tempz]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Hmm, Kypreos is saying he only has a NMC in year 2:

Nick Kypreos‏@RealKyper16m
Told Gagner new #Oilers 3 deal includes no move in year 2 only. They do have the freedom to trade his rights in yr 1 and yr 3 of the deal.

Yeah it turns out I don't read well before my morning coffee (in progress)

Here is the tweet I was referencing which also clearly states only year 2. Whoops.

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 31m Gagner deal with Oilers: (1)$4.4mil, (2)$5mil and (3)$5mil. No-trade and no-move in year 2 of 3 year deal...only. Interesting contract.

[playmaker]

I know I'm a minority here but I'd rather have Gagner at $4.8m than Hudler at $4m, Cammalleri at $7m or Wideman at $5.25m (all softer, streakier and older than Gagner)

[The Coppernian One]

Gagner was on pace for 65 points last season. If that's the Gagner the shows up for the next three years this is a good deal. If 48-50 point Gagner shows up it's an overpayment, although the cap is expected to rise again and it does buy up 2 years of UFA status, which will inflate the cost a bit.

He still needs a lot of work on his faceoffs and to start using his size. Physically he plays like the Gagner that was drafted, not the current 200lbs version.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by playmaker

I know I'm a minority here but I'd rather have Gagner at $4.8m than Hudler at $4m, Cammalleri at $7m or Wideman at $5.25m (all softer, streakier and older than Gagner)

*Maybe* Hudler, but Cammalleri and Wideman are not softer than Gagner. Just because he fought Conroy...

[moon]

Originally Posted by playmaker

I know I'm a minority here but I'd rather have Gagner at $4.8m than Hudler at $4m, Cammalleri at $7m or Wideman at $5.25m (all softer, streakier and older than Gagner)

If given the choice I would rather have none of them at the prices they are at and as much as I hated the Hudler and Wideman signings there is no way that any of the 3 you mentioned are softer or streakier than Gagner.

[The Coppernian One]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The insanity in Edmonton Continues:

RNH 6-0 171
Eberle 5-10 174
Gagner 5-11 191
Hall 5-11 180
Yakipov 5-11 190
Perron 5-11 170 - 195 (various sources)
Justin Schultz 6-1 163
Hemsky 6-0 192

Everybody recognizes that the Oilers lack size up front, but where did these come from? I'm pretty sure Hall was taller than that at the combine.

Leaving out Justin Schultz (not sure why a prospect dman is in with the "Top 6" here) TSN shows them as:
RNH - 6'1 185
Eberle - 5'11 184
Gagner - 5'11 199
Hall - 6'1 195
Yakupov - 5'11 184
Perron - 5'11 196
Hemsky - 6'0 184

Even some of TSN's numbers seem a bit off, but they're more in line with what is commonly reported.

[Ashasx]

Gagner is an odd player. He put up decent numbers last season, but he requires playing with elite talent to do so.

He's a total liability defensively, so he can't make it up there. He's too soft for the bottom 6, extremely streaky for the top 6.

Gagner has one dimension to his game, and it's really not that good.

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gagner is an odd player. He put up decent numbers last season, but he requires playing with elite talent to do so.

He's a total liability defensively, so he can't make it up there. He's too soft for the bottom 6, extremely streaky for the top 6.

Gagner has one dimension to his game, and it's really not that good.

That's probably why they didn't sign him long term. Not sold on who he is even after having him for 6 seasons.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Coppernian One

Everybody recognizes that the Oilers lack size up front, but where did these come from? I'm pretty sure Hall was taller than that at the combine.

Leaving out Justin Schultz (not sure why a prospect dman is in with the "Top 6" here) TSN shows them as:
RNH - 6'1 185
Eberle - 5'11 184
Gagner - 5'11 199
Hall - 6'1 195
Yakupov - 5'11 184
Perron - 5'11 196
Hemsky - 6'0 184

Even some of TSN's numbers seem a bit off, but they're more in line with what is commonly reported.

My numbers are from ESPN link

Hall seems to be wrong on ESPN as he is not that small...... or looks bigger playing with the small guys.

The Average NHL Forward is 6-1 204. The Oilers are like the bridges that are built with every component at the minimum allowable specification.

link

All data was collected from NHL.com's active rosters on October 14th, 2010)

After the jump: the findings of my research.


And how the players stack up

The average NHLer is 73.33" (6' 1 1/3") tall, weighs 204.42 lbs, and is 27.36 years old.
The average forward is 72.93" (6' 1") tall, weighs 202.4 lbs, and is 27.1 years old.
The average defenseman is 73.87" (6' 1 7/8") tall, weighs 209.66 lbs, and is 27.49 years old.
The average goalie is 73.94" (6' 2") tall, weighs, 198.39 lbs, and is 28.54 years old.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

My numbers are from ESPN link...

Wouldn't the official players listings at NHL.com be most accurate? TSNs numbers are drawn directly from the League.