[News] With the #22 overall pick the Flames select LW/RW Emile Poirier

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm not sure if he contradicted himself. He said, given the Flames situation last year, the Flames probably shouldn't have gambled their only first rounder on a sleeper hit and went with a safer one. This year is different, because they could afford to use their other 2 firsts on a gamble since they already snagged Monahan.

I can see where he's coming from, but I can also see why Feaster gambled on Jankowski last year. The organization is so desperate for a top tier centre, you're not going to get one where the Flames drafted without gambling IMO. I really hope Janko proves the naysayers wrong.

Even despite the need for a top centre on the team, the gamble Feaster took (whether it pays off or not) at the Jankowski pick was an excellent spot to take a big cut.

My understanding is that there was a belief that last years draft was not very deep. At the Flames draft point, they didn't think there was anyone that would impact the roster in the next few years. So they looked to grab the player that long run, they felt had the most potential for upside. Given there is no short term option available, sacraficing picking a player that might be ready in 4 years, to grab a player that might be ready in 6 years but be a bigger impact is a fairly decent gamble to make, especially for a non contending team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm not sure if he contradicted himself. He said, given the Flames situation last year, the Flames probably shouldn't have gambled their only first rounder on a sleeper hit and went with a safer one. This year is different, because they could afford to use their other 2 firsts on a gamble since they already snagged Monahan.

I can see where he's coming from, but I can also see why Feaster gambled on Jankowski last year. The organization is so desperate for a top tier centre, you're not going to get one where the Flames drafted without gambling IMO. I really hope Janko proves the naysayers wrong.

Last season was a crappy draft. What player picked after Jankowski would have come in and played last year or even this year? Maybe Olli Maatta would be in the lineup quicker but at the time the Flames dearly needed center depth in the organization and probably were hoping 2013 would be a playoff year and didn't envision being in any better position in this draft to address that need.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Last season was a crappy draft. What player picked after Jankowski would have come in and played last year or even this year? Maybe Olli Maatta would be in the lineup quicker but at the time the Flames dearly needed center depth in the organization and probably were hoping 2013 would be a playoff year and didn't envision being in any better position in this draft to address that need.

Well the Flames moved down from #14 to #24 so we have to look at pick #14 onwards.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Last season was a crappy draft. What player picked after Jankowski would have come in and played last year or even this year? Maybe Olli Maatta would be in the lineup quicker but at the time the Flames dearly needed center depth in the organization and probably were hoping 2013 would be a playoff year and didn't envision being in any better position in this draft to address that need.

That's true. My memory's a little hazy, but I think they had a chance at Teravainen before trading down to pick up Jankowski, who would have probably been a safer pick. I guess in a few years, we'll know whether Jankowski / Sieloff turns out better than Teravainen. I'm hoping it does.

[Tyler]

They did the right thing. You really have to see the Janko pick as a pairing with Janko+Sieloff, as that was our return for moving down in the draft.

Great asset allocation.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

That's true. My memory's a little hazy, but I think they had a chance at Teravainen before trading down to pick up Jankowski, who would have probably been a safer pick. I guess in a few years, we'll know whether Jankowski / Sieloff turns out better than Teravainen. I'm hoping it does.

I think so far it was the better move. Not that I don't like Teravainen but I would be concerned if we had Teravainen, Sven and Gaudreau in our top 5 prospects. It would look good on paper but I can't see to many guys like this winning a team a cup. To small. Janko has potential to be a big first line center and Sieloff looks like he could be a 2nd pairing physical d man

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Tyler

They did the right thing. You really have to see the Janko pick as a pairing with Janko+Sieloff, as that was our return for moving down in the draft.

Great asset allocation.

At the end of the day, I think Sieloff will be the player that makes the more immediate, and bigger long term impact for this team.

I am really excited about Patrick Sieloff.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

At the end of the day, I think Sieloff will be the player that makes the more immediate, and bigger long term impact for this team.

I am really excited about Patrick Sieloff.

No argument there. When all's said and done, we could be looking at the 2012 draft as the 'Seiloff draft' instead of the Jankowski draft. I'd be fine with that.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Tyler

No argument there. When all's said and done, we could be looking at the 2012 draft as the 'Seiloff draft' instead of the Jankowski draft. I'd be fine with that.

No need to take one or the other. In 1981 our first two picks (a first and a third) were two guys named MacInnis and Vernon.

Just sayin'

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Last season was a crappy draft. What player picked after Jankowski would have come in and played last year or even this year? Maybe Olli Maatta would be in the lineup quicker but at the time the Flames dearly needed center depth in the organization and probably were hoping 2013 would be a playoff year and didn't envision being in any better position in this draft to address that need.

Maatta I think has limited upside and this organization needs impact players. Janko could become that or perhaps not - but I don't mind taking a big swing with that pick and then following up with Siellof who probably isn't too far off Maatta when it comes to quality of prospect.

I think with a poor draft - it was a sounds approach.

[Enoch Root]

I would have rather drafted Jankowski than either Maatta or TT (because he is a big C and neither of the others are certain hits).

The fact that we got Jankowski + Sieloff makes it a slam dunk.

I would not be at all surprised if Jankowski and Sieloff turn out to be the two best of the four (never mind just one of them working out).

[the-rasta-masta]

Weren't Flames prepared to take Sieloff at 21 last year if Jankowski had been taken? I seem to remember they were fairly surprised that they got both of them.

[Enoch Root]

maybe not surprised, but definitely pleased

[Calgary4LIfe]

TT isn't exactly a 'safe' pick either. Many question marks on how his small frame will transition, and the thinking is that he will NOT be a center in the NHL. It becomes increasingly harder to hate the Jankowski pick, especially after the trade down.

Also, Feaster said that they were prepared to take Seiloff at 21 had Jankowski been gone. However, when they asked Todd Button about it, he said something like: "Well, he wasn't the only one at 21. There were others like Matt Finn that we were comfortable with".

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FAN

That's because teams go to the draft prepared. They all have a master list containing the names of prospects that they have ranked that goes at least 30 deep. Its a matter of crossing off names and reading the name that is on top of the list that hasn't been crossed out. Most teams also try to predict how the draft will unfold so you might see teams deviate from their list of they think they can grab a player lower on the list later.

I wonder how that works. Did they have Shinkaruk lower on their list, not on their list because they didn't like him or not on their list because they thought he would be gone? Did they bother to have MacKinnon on their list? How many sown sweaters did they have. Would love to hear the background some day

[Fire]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I wonder how that works. Did they have Shinkaruk lower on their list, not on their list because they didn't like him or not on their list because they thought he would be gone? Did they bother to have MacKinnon on their list? How many sown sweaters did they have. Would love to hear the background some day

I have a feeling Shinkaruk was not even on their list. If you don't like the guy, then no point of having him on your list. Button mentioned in a interview after the draft that they omitted some names off the list because they knew they had no chance on picking them with the picks they had.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I wonder how that works. Did they have Shinkaruk lower on their list, not on their list because they didn't like him or not on their list because they thought he would be gone? Did they bother to have MacKinnon on their list? How many sown sweaters did they have. Would love to hear the background some day

It seems a bit harsh... but I'd bet there are some teams that just flat out don't have a highly ranked guy on their list at all because there is a fatal flaw they think won't make them NHL players.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It seems a bit harsh... but I'd bet there are some teams that just flat out don't have a highly ranked guy on their list at all because there is a fatal flaw they think won't make them NHL players.

The Flames are one of these teams, they said last year that there guys taken in round 1 that they didn't have on their list at all.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It seems a bit harsh... but I'd bet there are some teams that just flat out don't have a highly ranked guy on their list at all because there is a fatal flaw they think won't make them NHL players.

Yeah I would agree. If you meet the kid and don't like him, or as you say, see a fatal flaw, then why even have them there? Maybe they have a separate list of those types of players. Or maybe they just rank them lower. Like say the flames had Shinkruk rated 150th. If he was there, maybe they would have taken him.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah I would agree. If you meet the kid and don't like him, or as you say, see a fatal flaw, then why even have them there? Maybe they have a separate list of those types of players. Or maybe they just rank them lower. Like say the flames had Shinkruk rated 150th. If he was there, maybe they would have taken him.

Kind of funny, but I remember a few years ago there was a player who was consensus top 100 ("there is no list!") and didn't even end up getting drafted. I think he ended up getting a PTO. Though I guess if Shinkaruk falls to the 6th round, then hell why not.