[Rumour] Flames ownership squashed Seguin to Flames

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

They probably squashed it before a deal was reached, don't think they had the right pieces anyways

I think any way we would have arranged it to work for Boston would have looked like an overpayment from our end based on what the deal ended up being for Dallas.

[rogermexico]

Yeah, we'd have had a hard time putting together a package for Eriksson - getting Seguin would have emptied the cupboard right back out.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Good. If any of this has any sliver of truth Murray Edwards may have saved us from this train wreck.

Monahan > Seguin

[Tinordi]

Doubtful Seguin emerges as a first line center. He's a top six winger. Very concerning that Jay is trying to take shortcuts even still.

Even if Seguin emerges that returns the Flame to what a tweener? Right back where we started.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Wolven

It wasn't that long ago that people were worried that there was no way Monahan was going to be available for the Flames to draft because he was too good and likely to be snatched up in the top 5.

Now that he is a Flame you are doubting if he will ever score 67 points?!?

There was never a question Monahan/Lindholm would be there ever since we knew we had the 6th pick.

And yes, I believe that if Monahan hits 67 that would be huge for him. His scouting reports all have tagged him as a potential captain, 200 ft player, no real weaknesses, and a good-great offensive game. He was never noted for gamebreaking offensive ability like some of the other elite scorers in the draft. Most have him pegged as best case Jonathan Toews(who many say was the better scorer at this stage) who has sat around 68-76 most of his career. Jordan Staal has only hit 50 points once, and for the last few seasons Eric has been in the 70s. So yes, it is very fair to say we'd be happy with 67 from Monahan in his prime.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't care about them kyboshing a Seguin deal for $$ reasons if they drop ticket prices. Unless this team is spending to the cap and being competitive, tough to justify shelling out a hundred bucks or so for one night of what is likely to be mediocre hockey.

Actually I think the last 3 years where we had "stars" that played hockey like they had guns to their heads was when prices should have dropped.

This year while yes, they will most likely struggle (although I think they'll be better than general consensus based on effort alone) they will:

a) skate
b) hit / be bigger
c) work hard / play with passion / play like it's a privilege to be in the NHL

This year will be far, far, far more interesting than anything we've seen over the last few years. Regardless of wins and losses.

[Dienasty]

I'd not know what the trade was, but I have a strong feeling that ownership didn't want to take on the 5.75 m salary and eat 3m of salary. Boston wanted cap relief, and the owners have proven to be cheap in the bouw trade where they wouldn't keep any of his salary. Edwards is running this as a business, not as pet project so that the city can celebrate.

Stick to oil and gas edwards please.

[Resolute 14]

I love how many are jumping to conclusions based on whatever axe they choose to grind. And the best part is, their heavily biased speculation becomes "fact" in their minds, and the basis for which they justify their speculation the next time they jump to conclusions.

[RyZ]

I'm glad. Seguin is not and will never be a franchise player. Lets do this rebuild right, with the right people.

This would have just been a big trade for the sake of a big trade. We don't need that.

[nik-]

If true, I find it hilarious that Feaster sold the ownership on the rebuild so hard that they trumped him when he tried to partially abandon it and make a splash.

Either way, the degenerative hip condition scares me and the cost to acquire him would have damaged the turn around of this club. So I'm glad it didn't happen.

[ranchlandsselling]

Where's this degenerative hip condition talk come from?
I recall earlier in the thread (or the trade thread) that his hip might have been injured - but it seems to have taken on a life of its own, soon he's going to be in a wheelchair. Unless I totally missed something.

[Mike F]

So long as the relationship between Feaster and the owners is that the owners have approval of taking on a bit money, long term contract and then leave it up to Feaster to negotiate the actual trade of assets, I'm perfectly fine.

It's the owners right to set budgets and approve large expendatures, and Feaster's right to expect to have autonomy in putting together trades.

[To Be Quite Honest]

I'd like to know what the pieces are until I judge.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

Where's this degenerative hip condition talk come from?
I recall earlier in the thread (or the trade thread) that his hip might have been injured - but it seems to have taken on a life of its own, soon he's going to be in a wheelchair. Unless I totally missed something.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?s...on&src=desktop

Sorry, it's the mobile site URL.

[moon]

Originally Posted by fotze

Also, its not even debateable that ownership should be kept abreast of trades that would be this big.

I would hope that it is very debatable.

Feaster should have the ability to add a deal like this that is fairly routine in the NHL nowadays and not that different from deals that lesser guys currently have on the Flames.

I could understand talking to ownership about a buyout or a Kovalchuk/Vinny deal 100 million dollar deal, but adding a reasonable contract that isn't out of the ordinary should be something Feaster (or any GM) has the ability to do on his own.

[Ro]

I haven't read through the whole thread yet, so maybe this has been covered already.

If there's any truth to this, here's my take/opinion:

Feaster was doing his job, exploring all avenues to improve the team. Have to think the deal involved at least #6 overall and Gaudreau. He went to ownership to discuss the possible deal (hopefully, not to ask/beg, but that's another thread), like ANY GM would be required to do, and the consensus was that the franchise could not sell the idea of finally rebuilding from square one to the fanbase and then go out and trade their best prospect and highest draft pick in 15-20 years for a guy with character issues and a chronic hip issue.

There's no way this reporter can definitively know anything about the dynamics of the Flames management team, and how this speculative move was discussed and ultimately decided upon. "Management" could be any combination of owners, scouts, advisors, Weisbrod, Conroy, King, Feaster, etc.

[Ro]

Originally Posted by moon

I would hope that it is very debatable.

Feaster should have the ability to add a deal like this that is fairly routine in the NHL nowadays and not that different from deals that lesser guys currently have on the Flames.

I don't know about that. If there's more than 1 or 2 GMs in the league that could make a trade of this magnitude without running it by ownership first I'd be extremely surprised.

[puckluck2]

The Bruins just crave rejection by the Flames.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I'm glad. Seguin is not and will never be a franchise player. Lets do this rebuild right, with the right people.

This would have just been a big trade for the sake of a big trade. We don't need that.

Haha what crystal ball are you looking at? Dude is 21 playing second line minutes and has already had a 67 point season.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Actually I think the last 3 years where we had "stars" that played hockey like they had guns to their heads was when prices should have dropped.

This year while yes, they will most likely struggle (although I think they'll be better than general consensus based on effort alone) they will:

a) skate
b) hit / be bigger
c) work hard / play with passion / play like it's a privilege to be in the NHL

This year will be far, far, far more interesting than anything we've seen over the last few years. Regardless of wins and losses.

This is very true. I'm much more interested to watch these Flames as I was to watch the next iteration of 30 yrs+ top 6 players that float around without a care collecting their millions. Itll be nice to see some battling for spots. But that still doesn't take away the fact that you're paying a premium for what will be a barely over cap floor team.

I'm also not sure I agree that a Seguin "shortcut" would have been a bad thing necessarily (although with the return they got I aggree it would have hurt the Flames big-time), but people here seem to think that short cuts are bad things all the time. Some times short cuts make times shorter...

I think when a guy like Seguin is available, especially when you're looking for young effective centres, it would be an injustice to not at least inquire.