What would you give up for Seguin?

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Nothing. And i'm sure Feaster is done perusing him. The Flames are finally committed to building the team through the draft and people want us to trade our 1st/2nds next year and some of our top prospects? No thanks.

I agree with this.

In the shape the Flames are in, even adding Seguin, they could be contending for a 1st overall pick. I'd rather just build through the draft. Let another team assume the risk.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

much better numbers? On one of the lowest scoring teams in the league (the Flames)?

In 5-6 years he will be an 80 point player. Maybe more with the right line mates.

But he is still learning. His best season so far was 67 points. He was on track for more this I think (projected to 82 games).

70 pts is a lot to expect from him in Calgary next year - he should not come to a team like Calgary and be the #1 guy. He does not seem to have the maturity to carry a team like the Flames yet (no knock, few people do at 21 years).

He would do better on a team where he is the 2C for a year or two.

Like others I like the talent, but don't see the fit.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

much better numbers? On one of the lowest scoring teams in the league (the Flames)?

Better numbers if he went to say Edmonton instead of Boston and had been playing 1st line minutes.

If he went to say Edmonton instead of Boston for example I bet HF would have something like 65, 85, 45 (lockout) numbers instead of the lower totals early on in his career.

[Izzle]

Seguin in Calgary would be the absolute wrong move. He is safe behind Bergeron, Chara and Lucic. Bringing him to Calgary


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[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Seguin in Calgary would be the absolute wrong move. He is safe behind Bergeron, Chara and Lucic. Bringing him to Calgary is a bad idea.


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[goodyear]

If I was Feaster, I would trade Brossiot, Sieloff (or similar D prospect) and their pick of Cammy, Stempniak or Giordano for Seguin and Bartkowski (the guy the Flames would've got for Iginla)

If Boston really want Gaudreau, then I would like to see a 1st rounder or Dougie Hamilton.

I'll even put Stajan on layaway for them...just in case.

#armchairGM

[moon]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If you give up next year's Calgary 1st round pick you are probably giving up the number one overall.

So you are trading a Seguin-like 17 year old player who will make 1/10th as much and Backlund for him.

That trade makes no sense.

Seguin is a fine player. But next year's first will be too. And what's the rush?

Boston is dealing from a place of weakness. Chia has contracts he wants out of.

I doubt whatever team lands him will be giving up a king's ransom.

I agree and said it in this thread to not trade the 1st next year but at the same time we aren't getting him for some 30 year old 2nd liners and the "promise" of JG.

[Coach]

Brodie, Backlund, Monahan, Gaudreau, 2014 1st are really the only pieces I wouldn't want included in a package for Seguin

[cowtown75]

Would any of you do a Gaudreau for a Khochlachev swap with the Bruins instead ?

[moon]

Originally Posted by goodyear

If I was Feaster, I would trade Brossiot, Sieloff (or similar D prospect) and their pick of Cammy, Stempniak or Giordano for Seguin and Bartkowski (the guy the Flames would've got for Iginla)

If Boston really want Gaudreau, then I would like to see a 1st rounder or Dougie Hamilton.

I'll even put Stajan on layaway for them...just in case.

#armchairGM

I don't think there is a Flames fan that won't do that but Chiarelli is fired if he makes that trade.

[Loyal and True]

In a reckless (Darryl Sutter) alternate universe, I would trade the 2014 1st rd pick and Gaudreau for Seguin.

Keep Backlund and keep our 2nd round pick. Then I would reinforce the roster with UFAs/salary dumps so that our 2014 1st round pick is merely 12th to 20th overall.

Take advantage of the unique opportunity where teams have to shed salary, or buyout decent players this summer to get under the cap.

Defense
I would use some of our our cap space to add 2 defensemen (4th or 5th on the depth chart) to complement Giordano/Wideman/Brodie and leave O'Brien/Smith/Butler/Cundari to battle for 6/7/8. These would be 1 or 2 yr deals (there is an abundance veterans on the market this year... 20 UFAs who played 18+ mins/game and lots of other decent D-men who played 14 to 17 mins).

Goal
I would sign a veteran goalie (might wait until training camp), because Ramo and/or Berra will need a year to adapt to North American game. If I am wrong and end up with too many good goalies, then Ortio can always go to Europe and Joey Mac can go to AHL. Brossoit should play in ECHL no matter what.

Forward
With Seguin as #1C, I think the forward lines are solid:

Cammy - Seguin - Glencross
Hudler - Stajan - D. Jones
Baertschi - Backlund - Stempniak
Galiardi - Knight - Jackman

Reinhart, Horak, B. Jones

I would keep Monahan in junior and not "waste" 1 year of his ELC. Buy time for our recently stocked pool of prospects to develop.

Still have the option to trade expiring UFAs Cammy/Stempniak/Stajan for draft picks at the deadline, so that we still draft 2 or 3 players in the top 60 next year. Cammy might score a ton of goals with Seguin and yield a 1st round pick at the deadline.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

In 5-6 years he will be an 80 point player. Maybe more with the right line mates.

But he is still learning. His best season so far was 67 points. He was on track for more this I think (projected to 82 games).

70 pts is a lot to expect from him in Calgary next year - he should not come to a team like Calgary and be the #1 guy. He does not seem to have the maturity to carry a team like the Flames yet (no knock, few people do at 21 years).

He would do better on a team where he is the 2C for a year or two.

Like others I like the talent, but don't see the fit.

Boston rolled four lines, and had him on pp 2. In Calgary he would average 2 more minutes a game, and first pp unit. I think that alone would allow him to rack up more points.

As for saying reinhart is = to Seguin is hilarious. Seguin has 3 NHL seasons under his belt, two of which he was highly productive. Reinhart hasn't even been drafted, do you remember coutourier, Angelo Esposito both of these guys were considered sure fire #1s going into their draft years. Reinhart still as a long way to go before he can even prove he can be an NHL player let alone a star.

Look at other #1 overalls, Stefan, daigle, dipietro there isn't eve a guarantee he will be an above average NHL player if he is drafted first overall. Not to mention, to get that pick flames would have to finish dead last next year, and would need to win the lottery, thus have less then a 50% chance to get him after finishing last.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

In 5-6 years he will be an 80 point player. Maybe more with the right line mates.

But he is still learning. His best season so far was 67 points. He was on track for more this I think (projected to 82 games).

70 pts is a lot to expect from him in Calgary next year - he should not come to a team like Calgary and be the #1 guy. He does not seem to have the maturity to carry a team like the Flames yet (no knock, few people do at 21 years).

He would do better on a team where he is the 2C for a year or two.

Like others I like the talent, but don't see the fit.

Boston rolled four lines, and had him on pp 2. In Calgary he would average 2 more minutes a game, and first pp unit. I think that alone would allow him to rack up more points.

As for saying reinhart is = to Seguin is hilarious. Seguin has 3 NHL seasons under his belt, two of which he was highly productive. Reinhart hasn't even been drafted, do you remember coutourier, Angelo Esposito both of these guys were considered sure fire #1s going into their draft years. Reinhart still as a long way to go before he can even prove he can be an NHL player let alone a star.

Look at other #1 overalls, Stefan, daigle, dipietro there isn't eve a guarantee he will be an above average NHL player if he is drafted first overall. Not to mention, to get that pick flames would have to finish dead last next year, and would need to win the lottery, thus have less then a 50% chance to get him after finishing last.

Your last paragraph is disingenuous at best. Scouting has come a long way since the days of the guys mentioned above. If you draft #1 overall, chances are good that the player becomes an above average player.


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[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Seguin is a fine player. But next year's first will be too. And what's the rush?

Little early to be making that prediction, we don't know where we are drafting or who will be available. It is unlikely, though certainly possible, that our pick next year will be as good as Seguin. The odds of us getting first overall aren't that good, even if we have the worst record we still have to win the lottery.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Boston is dealing from a place of weakness. Chia has contracts he wants out of.

Not really, there are plenty of teams who would be lined up to aquire Seguin.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Your last paragraph is disingenuous at best. Scouting has come a long way since the days of the guys mentioned above. If you draft #1 overall, chances are good that the player becomes an above average player.

#1 overall is certainly likely to be a good player, the odds of drafting #1 aren't great. People have different opinions but to me Seguin > a good chance at an above average player.

[LouCypher]

1 to 2 years ago we perhaps could have given up the assets that would make it worth while to go after Seguin, even today if we did get him Id be happy but I don't think its worth what we would have to give up. To many young players that we don't know what the ceiling would be going the other way for a guy like Seguin who has shown some of his potential but also who has yet to show where his ceiling is. Far better for the Flames to keep doing what they are doing, use the draft and get these higher end young guys through drafting.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Your last paragraph is disingenuous at best. Scouting has come a long way since the days of the guys mentioned above. If you draft #1 overall, chances are good that the player becomes an above average player.


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I agree with you that the chances are good, however I was saying that it isn't a lock. On top of that I was trying to explain that it is still not a foregone conclusion, that we will get the 1 st overall, even if we finish last the odds are we won't get 1st overall we still have less than a 50% chance. That is all I was trying to say, for the people freaking out about trading a first rounder. However I don't think we would need to give up a first rounder next year to get him, as they are still trying to go on a cup run next season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Would any of you do a Gaudreau for a Khochlachev swap with the Bruins instead ?

Not a fricking chance in hell

In a deal for a quality player like Seguin, sure. But Gaudreau has a chance to be a special player and there is no way I give him up for a prospect like Khoklachev.

[Poe969]

Honestly, if Seguin COULD be had then you pretty much give up whatever the B's want. If he is actually available, 29 teams will be in line to pony up what it takes. If there is something from the Flames that Chiarelli wants, give it to him.

I doubt there is a chance he ends up on the Flames but if there was a chance, take it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Would any of you do a Gaudreau for a Khochlachev swap with the Bruins instead ?

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Dienasty

I agree with you that the chances are good, however I was saying that it isn't a lock.

No player is a lock anywhere. I recall some of the posters here claiming Iginla was going to go to Pittsburgh and recapture his greatness in a Penguins uniform along side Crosby and that was a sure thing. There is no such thing as a sure thing and many times a player is not as successful someplace else because he has a different role than that which made him a success. Seguin could be experiencing the success he is because he plays on a stacked team. Move him to another team where there is not the level of talent and his points likely take a substantial drop off. It would be a huge gamble to bring him in and think he was going to turn into a franchise player. If he isn't achieving that in Boston he certainly won't be here.

The Flames are best served by sitting on their high end assets and not making trades where they give up multiple assets to acquire one. Patience is the key here. The Flames have some really nice pieces after this draft and are finally starting to build toward the depth required to have a good team. Let those assets continue to pile up and develop.