What would you give up for Seguin?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by kehatch

If you can get Seguin without giving up Baertschi, Brodie, Monahan, or a first next season then it is a deal you have to seriously consider.

not if you're the Bruins

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

not if you're the Bruins

Perhaps. But then there isn't a deal IMO.

[Loyal and True]

I like Backlund, Gaudreau and a 2nd for Seguin.

For Boston:
-Gaudreau is going to be a great player even though he is small. Easy to see why Boston would covet him.
-Backlund is an affordable 3rd line C with some potential upside to fill Bergeron's shoes down the line.
-Boston saves tons of cap space to go after free agents that suit their other needs.
-2nd round pick allows Boston to double it's chance of 2nd round fortune down the line. They have very good track record in finding gems in round 2.

For Calgary:
-Backlund would be expendable if we replace him with Seguin. Seguin is a huge upgrade (as is his pay). He is exactly what we are missing and we might not be lucky enough to draft a Seguin in the first round next year.
-Gaudreau is a hell of a little player, but he is going to stay in college and he may not sign with Calgary. I would love to see him sign here, but I have no problem trading him now if we get good value for him.
-I hate to lose a 2nd round pick but that would likely be mandatory to acquire a player of Seguin's calibre.

[moon]

Not sure the exact combination but for me basically anything but Monahan and next years first would be on the table.

I am not expecting Monahan to necessarily be better than Seguin but I do think he has the chance and with more years left of control and his age fitting in a little better with a 3-4 year rebuild I prefer him over Seguin right now. The first I think has the potential to be top 3, if not first, and I think that again is more valuable based on potential/control.

I don't see a great fit for the Flames with Seguin as I think we have more of a quantity over quality type of moves to offer which is not what they should want at all.

Sure if they want a Backlund, Baertschi, Gaudreau and a pick offer go ahead but I don't see how that makes them better, how that fits their window or why they do it. I also think that is about as good an offer as the Flames can make.

If I am Mac T I try a Yak for Seguin deal. Saves Boston money, gives them a RW they need and Seguin on a top line with say Hall-Eberle allows RNH to play the softer minutes that he needs now (and possibly his whole career).

Not sure if that is enough for Boston because I am not sold on Yakupov but seems to be a better fit than the 4 for 1 deal that they get from Calgary.

[Kipper_3434]

If the trade is based on clearing salary for Boston I see the trade going something like this

to Boston:
Stepniak (2.5)
Backlund (2.0?)
Horak (0.8)
Hanowski? (0.9$)
1st/ gaudreau/ Reinhardt

to Calgary:

Seguin (5.7)
Peverley (3.25)
Kelly (3.0)

In my eyes stepniak replaces seguin's production and is a better checker. He is UFA next year which will leave Boston with more then enough $ to extend Bergeron.
Backs replaces Kelly
And Horak takes over for Peverly
Hanowski and the 1st/ prospect make up for the sting of losing Seguin's projected pottential.

Does this deal seem one sided for Calgary? Absolutely.
But remember Boston is clearing 6 mil in this deal. It's going to allow them to pursue an FA of Iginla's caliber which would actually improve their team IMO. Also the value of a cap hit, as per kotalik, is about 3m = 2nd round pick. Imagine the trade above with identical cap hits but with Calgary throwing in two 2nd rounders and you can see why I think Boston would consider this deal a win win. Also I don't see many other teams out there who can take on this much cap and make a better offer.

[moon]

I don't think it is solely about money and certainly not a traditional salary dump so quality back is much more important that money in the deal.

And Stempniak does not come close to replacing Seguin's production. Over the past two seasons Seguin has scored 30 more points and is 10 years younger so likely to improve going forward while Stempniak is what he is.

In that deal Stempniak replaces Peverly. You need Baertschi and/or Gaudreau to think about making up the difference in future potential and even that may not be enough.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't think it is solely about money and certainly not a traditional salary dump so quality back is much more important that money in the deal.

And Stempniak does not come close to replacing Seguin's production. Over the past two seasons Seguin has scored 30 more points and is 10 years younger so likely to improve going forward while Stempniak is what he is.

In that deal Stempniak replaces Peverly. You need Baertschi and/or Gaudreau to think about making up the difference in future potential and even that may not be enough.

Gaudreau was listed in the deal. And I should have mentioned the 6 mil to pursue FA would more then replace Seguin's production when combined with Stepniak. It wouldn't replace Horton, but that's not part of this trade and not our problem, frankly. It's not a guaranteed yes from Boston, but if I'm them I seriously consider and discuss it with my staff. Honestly it's more then they got for Thornton mid season, and looks better on paper then the Kessel trade.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Nothing. And i'm sure Feaster is done perusing him. The Flames are finally committed to building the team through the draft and people want us to trade our 1st/2nds next year and some of our top prospects? No thanks.

[_Q_]

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2014 2nd

Or

Backlund + 2014 1st

I would include one of our vets for a more over paid Bruins vet if they so choose and I would be 100% OK with either of those deals.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2014 2nd

Or

Backlund + 2014 1st

I would include one of our vets for a more over paid Bruins vet if they so choose and I would be 100% OK with either of those deals.

LOVE how my proposal get criticised for not giving enough. LOL

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

That's fine, wouldn't hurt my feelings. But as usual, we're overvaluing other teams' players and undervaluing our own.

The value of Glencross really can't be ignored, when you see the kinds of numbers being thrown around for UFA guys like Tyler Bozak (6'1, 195).

12G, 16A, 28P in 46 games last season, and was a -1 on a good Leafs team.

Now let's look at Glencross, who also happens to be 6'1, 195.

15G, 11A, 26P in 40 games and a -8 on a bad Flames team.

Bozak is asking for 8 years at 5M per. Whether he gets it or not remains to be seen, but it's likely he'll come close. He'll be 35 when that contract expires.

Glencross makes 2.5M per year and will continue to do so until the 2015-2016 season, when he will be 33 years old. He is undoubtedly the league's best value contract. This sort of bang for your buck is invaluable to a team like the Bruins fighting against the cap each and every day, and he would slide in nicely on the left side with Lucic and Marchand.

The deal would give the Bruins an additional $3.25M of cap relief.

Then factor in Gaudreau, one of this organization's top prospects, a guy almost every team in the league would like in their cupboard, and then double his value to Boston because he's some kind of local hero there... and the value really isn't so far-fetched, IMO.

The 3rd round pick is the cherry on top, and I might make it a 2nd rounder if Boston pushed for it.

That's how I see it anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I think you are WAY over valuing Gaudreau, he isn't even a top 50 prospect in the NHL do to him being tiny 5'6 and light 150 lbs. Name another NHLer that small? All the small guys have massive lower bodies, Gaudreau still looks like a twelve year old.

Bozak vs Glencross, Bozak wins 55% of his face-offs and plays a much more difficult position C rather then wing. Those 2 reasons alone are the reasons why Bozak is a better player. Sorry centers are way more valuable then winger, you as a flames fan should understand that.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Red John

Think Seguin will almost certainly turn out to be a better player than whoever the 2014 1st fetches, but you still can't trade that pick.

It's a rebuilding year and though the draft appears to be a weak one, there's always a chance someone comes out of nowhere (a la Drouin this past year) to be a top prospect.

I haven't heard that the 2014 draft looks weak, just that it doesn't have the depth of the 2013 class. There won't be any talk of first round quality players being acquired in the second round but the top end talent is still going to be top end talent.

It is still pretty early to judge the class but I think it is safe to say that our 2014 first round pick is going to be extremely valuable.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

I think you are WAY over valuing Gaudreau, he isn't even a top 50 prospect in the NHL do to him being tiny 5'6 and light 150 lbs. Name another NHLer that small? All the small guys have massive lower bodies, Gaudreau still looks like a twelve year old.

Where are you getting this information from? Or are you just making it up?

Even the Bleacher report, which just posted a list of top 50 prospects post-2013 draft, has Gaudreau not only in the top 50 but he is ranked #21 above a number of other familiar names.

He may be a long shot because of his size but he is still considered to be a highly valued propsect after his performance in both the WJC and his college seasons.

[DuckmanX]

If the Flames are willing to eat half of Cammys salary, I'd do...

Half Price Cammy + Gaudreau + 2nd round pick

For

Seguin + Bartowski

[Badgers Nose]

how does the former second overall pick that has not lived up to expectations get the Bruins Sam Reinhart+ ?

Johnny G
a good roster player with good contract (GlenX or Cammi at half price)
another prospect or a second rounder

... gets Seguin and his $5.75 million contract.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2014 2nd

Or

Backlund + 2014 1st

I would include one of our vets for a more over paid Bruins vet if they so choose and I would be 100% OK with either of those deals.

Sam Reinhart AND Backlund for Seguin?

You need to stop mixing your meds.

[moon]

He has something like 99 points in his last 110 games so it isn't like he has been a bust and if he went to a bottom feeder club he would be putting up much better numbers.

[Enoch Root]

much better numbers? On one of the lowest scoring teams in the league (the Flames)?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by moon

He has something like 99 points in his last 110 games so it isn't like he has been a bust and if he went to a bottom feeder club he would be putting up much better numbers.

If you give up next year's Calgary 1st round pick you are probably giving up the number one overall.

So you are trading a Seguin-like 17 year old player who will make 1/10th as much and Backlund for him.

That trade makes no sense.

Seguin is a fine player. But next year's first will be too. And what's the rush?

Boston is dealing from a place of weakness. Chia has contracts he wants out of.

I doubt whatever team lands him will be giving up a king's ransom.

[FlamesAddiction]

At the very least, he wouldn't be the 3rd centre on the depth chart in Calgary, like he is Boston.