What would you give up for Seguin?

[Bertuzzied]

Since TJ Feaster is on a roll, a 2014 4th rounder!

[Flames_F.T.W]

I'd give up A LOT for Seguin. That being said, after the Kessel fiasco for the Leafs, I wouldn't include a 1st rounder as it is likely to be a lottery pick.

I'd be happy to do the rumoured, Backlund, Gaudreau + 2nd. I believe Boston is pretty high on Gaudreau and he would most likely be a part of the package.

For Serguin, I'd say our 2014 1st is the only untouchable. I'd part with Brodie or Sven for sure, but not both. Although I HIGHLY value both Brodie and Sven, it's not as likely they'll develop into impact players like Seguin is/will.

It's fun to daydream, but I highly doubt Boston is going to give up on Seguin unless there is much more going on behind the scenes (ie: he wants a trade, etc...). And realistically, if Seguin was available, Boston would make it known in order to start a bidding war, and unfortunately some other team would gladly give up more valuable assets than we have or can afford.

Who knows, maybe Johnny Hockey is the key to all this and we do have a leg up on other teams. One can dream!

[Milt Schmidt]

Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo1989

Seguin has publicly said he doesn't like playing the wing and is a Center. That's why Boston has come out and said quit whining.

That's not true at all. What he has said is that he feels he is a natural centre, and that during the lockout he was playing centre in Europe, and it was hard to adjust back to the wing. He was put at centre for a game or two this season, and he struggled. When asked about it he said that playing centre is quite difficult in Julien's system, and he feels more comfortable on the wing because that's what he's used to in Boston. On another team, he'd be almost definitely be a centre, but in Boston he's never going to displace Bergeron or Krejci, so he'll never get the ice-time to get comfortable at centre in Julien's system. The Bruins called him out for being late to team meetings, and getting distracted by being a rich 21 year old, they said he needs to be more professional. It had nothing to do with whether he plays centre or wing.

Milt

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Really? That would get the phone hung up on you so fast.

I think Seguin has always been a little overrated but he deserves a package much greater than that.

I think Gaudreau, Brodie, and a conditional first depending if the pick is top 5 or not would do. If not, the Bruins get the pick. If it is a top 5 then the first rolls over to the next season.

He's the first line center we've wanted for more than a decade and he's only worth a good prospect, Glencross, and a 3rd rounder? Why would they possibly want that package other than Gaudreau?

That's fine, wouldn't hurt my feelings. But as usual, we're overvaluing other teams' players and undervaluing our own.

The value of Glencross really can't be ignored, when you see the kinds of numbers being thrown around for UFA guys like Tyler Bozak (6'1, 195).

12G, 16A, 28P in 46 games last season, and was a -1 on a good Leafs team.

Now let's look at Glencross, who also happens to be 6'1, 195.

15G, 11A, 26P in 40 games and a -8 on a bad Flames team.

Bozak is asking for 8 years at 5M per. Whether he gets it or not remains to be seen, but it's likely he'll come close. He'll be 35 when that contract expires.

Glencross makes 2.5M per year and will continue to do so until the 2015-2016 season, when he will be 33 years old. He is undoubtedly the league's best value contract. This sort of bang for your buck is invaluable to a team like the Bruins fighting against the cap each and every day, and he would slide in nicely on the left side with Lucic and Marchand.

The deal would give the Bruins an additional $3.25M of cap relief.

Then factor in Gaudreau, one of this organization's top prospects, a guy almost every team in the league would like in their cupboard, and then double his value to Boston because he's some kind of local hero there... and the value really isn't so far-fetched, IMO.

The 3rd round pick is the cherry on top, and I might make it a 2nd rounder if Boston pushed for it.

That's how I see it anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Savvy27]

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2nd - I would do easily
Gaudreau + Backlund + 1st - I would do somewhat reluctantly

I am less attached to our 2014 1st rounder because I think it is much more likely to be a 5-10 pick than a 1-5 pick. Seguin is a good player now who I think will be a top 15 player in the league in a couple of years.

I understand people's reluctance and they may be right, however I am probably more bullish on Seguin than most and also less convinced that the Flames will be a bottom dweller than most.

[Igottago]

I'd be willing to explore a lot of options to get Seguin here but I wouldn't give up Sven in any package. Any centre that ends up here will need a top line winger and I just think Sven has star written all over him, he's gonna be a bigtime player.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2nd - I would do easily
Gaudreau + Backlund + 1st - I would do somewhat reluctantly

I am less attached to our 2014 1st rounder because I think it is much more likely to be a 5-10 pick than a 1-5 pick. Seguin is a good player now who I think will be a top 15 player in the league in a couple of years.

I understand people's reluctance and they may be right, however I am probably more bullish on Seguin than most and also less convinced that the Flames will be a bottom dweller than most.

Over an 82 game schedule, next season, the Flames will be bottom 3. A multitude of holes.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by timbit

Over an 82 game schedule, next season, the Flames will be bottom 3.

You're sure of that?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Really? That would get the phone hung up on you so fast.

I think Seguin has always been a little overrated but he deserves a package much greater than that.

I think Gaudreau, Brodie, and a conditional first depending if the pick is top 5 or not would do. If not, the Bruins get the pick. If it is a top 5 then the first rolls over to the next season.

He's the first line center we've wanted for more than a decade and he's only worth a good prospect, Glencross, and a 3rd rounder? Why would they possibly want that package other than Gaudreau?

Glencross is huge value to a cap team. Gritty top 6 winger with a $2.3 million dollar contract.

Needs more but Glencross + Gaudreau would be a good starting point.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I'd give up A LOT for Seguin. That being said, after the Kessel fiasco for the Leafs, I wouldn't include a 1st rounder as it is likely to be a lottery pick.

I'd be happy to do the rumoured, Backlund, Gaudreau + 2nd. I believe Boston is pretty high on Gaudreau and he would most likely be a part of the package.

For Serguin, I'd say our 2014 1st is the only untouchable. I'd part with Brodie or Sven for sure, but not both. Although I HIGHLY value both Brodie and Sven, it's not as likely they'll develop into impact players like Seguin is/will.

It's fun to daydream, but I highly doubt Boston is going to give up on Seguin unless there is much more going on behind the scenes (ie: he wants a trade, etc...). And realistically, if Seguin was available, Boston would make it known in order to start a bidding war, and unfortunately some other team would gladly give up more valuable assets than we have or can afford.

Who knows, maybe Johnny Hockey is the key to all this and we do have a leg up on other teams. One can dream!

Backlund, Gaudreau + 2nd.

This is an easy easy yes. Just can't see that being enough though. Our top 6 going forward would look like:

x - Seguin - Baertschi
x - Monahan - x

That is an extremely solid young foward core to build around. The type of core that would be the Flames core for the next decade. This move instantly moves the rebuild forward by 2+ years.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You're sure of that?

No, but I would bet they will be a lot closer to picking 1 than 10.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I'd be willing to explore a lot of options to get Seguin here but I wouldn't give up Sven in any package. Any centre that ends up here will need a top line winger and I just think Sven has star written all over him, he's gonna be a bigtime player.

And having one potential star forward, just isn't going to do it. The Flames need at least 2, in order to move forward from their current position.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'd pass on him. Odds are our pick is going to be on the same level as Seguin. I see no reason to sweeten the pot more than that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Gaudreau + Backlund + 1st

This is mad overpayment for what is the Bruins 3rd line center. The Flames 1st round pick could be top 5 this year and the Flames already rumourdly turned down Gaudreau and this year's 6th pick so I fail to see how they sweeten the pots and add Backlund.

[Milt Schmidt]

I really like Glencross as a player, but he doesn't address the Bruins needs. If they trade Seguin for Glencross and prospects the left wing is stacked, and their is no one to play right wing on the top two lines. If they throw in Peverley as a salary dump, their best right winger becomes Thornton. What the Bruins need right now is a top 6 right winger, and they'd need two of them if Seguin were traded. Adding Glencross to the 3rd line doesn't solve their biggest problem.

Milt

[SuperMatt18]

Glencross+Gaudreau+2nd

Glencross+Gaudreau+Backlund

I would make either of those deals. Issue is I doubt Glencross waives his NTC.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You're sure of that?

If any other team finishes below us, they should be embarrassed at being so bad that a team without a true first line forward or starting goalie finished ahead of them.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, when you analyze where the Flames are...I think moving assets for a guy like Seguin just doesn't line up. The team needs to accumulate as many assets as it can so that 2-3 years down the road they can have the pieces in place to go after another guy like this. In the mean time, time to get the seeds to plant, and let them grow.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You're sure of that?

I'm not sure of it.

But I sure as hell wouldn't bet our 1st against it

[GirlySports]

I don't want to give up any current players.

how about the deal that got Kessel? 2 firsts.