[News] With the #22 overall pick the Flames select LW/RW Emile Poirier

[moon]

Originally Posted by 868904

People get too worked up over public scouting service and Mckenzie's rankings.

I doubt any "scouts" from the public services are paid as well as the actual team scouts who must have greater resources to work with. If they were any good, wouldn't teams be paying big money to get them on their staff?

As for Mckenzie, readily admits that he doesn't see these kids and he relies on team scouts for info. Think about that, if you were a team scout, would you be giving Mckenzie the true goods and reports on the guys you like? If you were Tod Button or Trevor Timmons and Mckenzie came to you asking who your sleeper or favourite was, would you straight out tell hi or maybe give some false info?

As for McGuire and Ferraro, neither guy gets out to see any junior games because their television schedules are too busy. They know no more about these prospects than fans do.

At the end of the day, if the rumour s true that Poirier was on Anaheim and Montreal's radar, that's good enough for me cause both those teams have been drafting very well in recent years.

Plenty of those "high paid" scouts have shown how awful they are at drafting I we the years and many of the scouting services have guys that were/will be high paid scouts again.

McKenzie routinely has 24+ guys in his top 30 go in the first round and I believe all of his top 50 went in the first 60 picks this year so it seems he is getting pretty good info.

[Meers]

When a GM goes off the board it's always a higher risk crap shoot than going with concensus scouting. Having made a "safe" pick already in the draft, I suppose Feaster felt he could take a greater risk on the number 22 pick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Meers

When a GM goes off the board it's always a higher risk crap shoot than going with concensus scouting. Having made a "safe" pick already in the draft, I suppose Feaster felt he could take a greater risk on the number 22 pick.

And I like that way of thinking.

Monahan was the safe 6th overall pick, and Klimchuk is the prototypical late 1st rounder and right where a lot of people projected him.

I have no problem rolling the dice more on the 22nd pick.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think Pioirier is a medium risk high reward player.

I don't think it was that huge of a risk to take a small flyer on him, but with his size and speed he's got two key cornerstones to make it to the NHL. He won't be here next year. He's got great offensive instincts and he plays with a bit of an edge.

The question is always strength transition and explosiveness and learning the other side of the game.

He's a top 6 player if everything comes together, but I don't really see him as a bottom 6 guy.

[Bourque's Twin]

Any idea how long until he sees time in the NHL?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Any idea how long until he sees time in the NHL?

My guess. The season after next.

[Resolute 14]

RDS's report on him.

http://legrandclub.rds.ca/profils/42.../155233/public

Based off Google translate: They note he is fast, but his skating style is awkward. Exciting player, able to blow around defencemen. He has the two words you hear with every draft pick the Flames make these days: "Hockey IQ". Can play any forward position. Good defensively - can play the penalty kill, will block shots. Says he will need time to mature physically. They ranked him 47th bt suggested he would go anywhere between 45 and 75, projecting him as a second line power forward. This was all written in February, before he turned heads in the QMJHL playoffs.

[IgiTang]

What I love is many of his Highlight reel goals were from his own end. Also, there were times he actually had to fight defenders off in full stride and still manage to finish with his smooth hands at full speed.

Very excited to see him in a Flames Uni. As for Shinkaruk, yes hes fast, but not as skilled and cannot finish like Poirier. HS is more of a fast offensive zone one hit guy with a decent shot.

[868904]

Originally Posted by moon

Plenty of those "high paid" scouts have shown how awful they are at drafting I we the years and many of the scouting services have guys that were/will be high paid scouts again.

McKenzie routinely has 24+ guys in his top 30 go in the first round and I believe all of his top 50 went in the first 60 picks this year so it seems he is getting pretty good info.

Yeah I don't doubt the top 30 and the obvious guys but if teams have sleepers, they aren't going to reveal them or talk them up. I mean to me, the Canucks scored big time with Horvat but then the rest of their draft seems like it was simply based on the hockey news draft guide, and their recent drafting history isn't all that great.

Conversely, if its true that good drafting teams like Anaheim and Montreal wanted Poirier, I think that's a better gauge of talent than what public publications say.

If Poirier and Shinkaruk fully develop as projected, I think I'd prefer Poirier simply because he does so much more, but that's just me, I'm the type that thinks Burrows is a better player than Tanguay. I think Poirier is more likely to develop into a Burrows or Marchand, than Shonkaruk is to realize his potential as a Tanguay.

Just my thoughts.

[StrykerSteve]

Again, if he felt the guy wouldn't be there for their next pick, then it's not going off the board.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Sandman

i've heard that scouts have noticed he skates "bowlegged and hunched over", or something like that. i think its normal for them to scrutinize the mechanics of a players stride, but i'm with you-he seems to be able to blow by defenders quite easily.

I know of another player who looks very awkward in his stride and a bit bow legged. Also heard that when he walks, he looks like hes in utter pain and pigeon toed. His name is Pavel Datsyuk.

[DoNotCompute]

I actually find his skating stride intriguing, as it seems very in line with what I've been told regarding recent research into skating strides and speed. The low centre of gravity ( which gives him that bow-legged awkward look), combined with the number of strides, not length, is what makes him quick.

His burst gives him great separation, which to me will help him greatly when he first comes into the league as it could help him keep the puck long enough to make things happen, something that a lot of rookies seem to struggle with.

[albertastrong]

This pick is straight out of left field!! Any thing Feaster does not shock me anymore. Read this article I'm not the only one who thinks this way. nhl-draft-grades-evaluating-every-firstround-pick-in-2013

[sun]

I know about 100 people have commented on it already, but holy ####, this kid can MOVE.

Looks like Lombardi, but actually has the hands to finish those rushes.

[Tinordi]

Yeah after Fata and Lombardi im always scared of drafting guys for speed but he looks like he has the hands to boot.

Good pick

Question: If he's as good a prospect as most are making, why wasn't he ranked higher? Where are his warts?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DoNotCompute

I actually find his skating stride intriguing, as it seems very in line with what I've been told regarding recent research into skating strides and speed. The low centre of gravity ( which gives him that bow-legged awkward look), combined with the number of strides, not length, is what makes him quick.

I thought, myself, that the way he moves reminded me of a speed skater's technique. Glad to see I wasn't entirely imagining that.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by sun

I know about 100 people have commented on it already, but holy ####, this kid can MOVE.

Looks like Lombardi, but actually has the hands to finish those rushes.

Lombardi had 57 goals and 130 points in 66 games his final year in the Q. This impressive regular season was followed by 17G and 18A in 22 playoff games. Lombardi could finish in junior but it never translated to the pro game to get him past the 15-20 goal scorer.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Very excited to see him in a Flames Uni. As for Shinkaruk, yes hes fast, but not as skilled and cannot finish like Poirier. HS is more of a fast offensive zone one hit guy with a decent shot.

I'm not so sure about that. Shinkaruk, at the junior level anyway, is an elite finisher. That's what he does, he's a natural goal scorer. Most other parts of his game are a big question mark, but his "finishing" and goal scoring is not a problem at all. He is certainly at a higher level than Poirier in that category.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Question: If he's as good a prospect as most are making, why wasn't he ranked higher? Where are his warts?

Hard to tell, but it sounds like he had a bit of a late bloom/strong second half. He also plays in Gatineau and from what I recall, Gatineau didn't have as strong of a team this year or at least nothing to really write home about. If people are scouting the Ottawa region they're probably only heading this way to see Monahan. It seems like a pretty strong recipe for an under the radar player.

[trackercowe]

I know it might not be what everyone is hoping for, but if you can get a Matthew Lombardi level player even with the 22nd overall pick you should be pretty satisfied. He might not be a franchise player, or even a first liner, but still a solid player capable of being a key cog on most teams.