[Rumour] Tyler Seguin on the trade block

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The flames would have 3 strong building blocks for the future (Tyler, Sven, TJ) plus 2 1st round picks in this draft. Johnny is still boom-bust so I like the deal as rumored

If the Flames traded for Seguin, they would have one strong building block and a couple of other potential support pieces.

[CalgaryFan1988]

What if Feaster traded for Seguin, but it was something around Glencross+ going back to Boston? That would make a lot more sense for both teams IMO

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the Flames traded for Seguin, they would have one strong building block and a couple of other potential support pieces.

So Sven doesn't have 1st line potential? Brodie is at best a 3-4 dman? When I think of potential support pieces I am thinking Reinhart, Horak, Wotherspoon. I think Sven and Brodie have first line and top pair upside

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I want to watch the Flames step up to the podium three times this afternoon... don't eff this up please.

For me, if the Flames pick at 6, 22, 28....it's probably a pretty underwhelming draft. You either get yourself more bullets to shoot, or you go after a guy that you want. Otherwise you're laying back hoping for players to be around when you draft. Thats okay if you have one pick, but not with 3.

[ricardodw]

Boston would not be considering trading Seguin if there was no cap.

There will not be a wild bidding war giving away assets for him as a lot of teams are in Cap jail and could not add Sequin without sending back salary...... which is the whole reason Boston is considering letting him go in the first place.

for 5.7 M a team can likely sign Ignila or Lecavalier or maybe both for 3 years and still hang on to their draft picks. Horton will end up signing for the same sort of contract as Seguin currently has..... .... Who would you rather have Monahan/Nichushkin/Lindholm and Horton or Sequin?


Boston traded away Kessel for 2 first and a 2nd. There was no way that either Boston or Toronto thought that the pick would be a #2 and # 9.

Kessel was coming off a 36 goal year and a great playoffs. He was a more proven player then than Sequin is today.


The leafs drafted 7th in 2009 and thought that Kadri would be better than their next 2 first round picks..... and so did Boston.


When Kessel was traded Boston thought they were getting a 10th and 15th. Toronto thought they were giving up a 15th and 20th.


22 and/or 28 and Gaudreau will be a very competitive offer especially as this is a deep draft and the picks will have names and faces later on today.

If Gaudreau is able to step up and succeed at the NHL then he will have trouble doing it on the Flames/... The Flames already have Baertschi and Hudler as their very undersized stars.

[868904]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

What if Feaster traded for Seguin, but it was something around Glencross+ going back to Boston? That would make a lot more sense for both teams IMO

Glencross loves being in Alberta, really don't think he's going to waive for anything. I think he's a lifer here. I really think winning is secondary to Glencross, lifestyle is the priority. Nothing wrong with that, most of us will choose lifestyle over a higher salary in an undesirable location. Plus his salary is set, it's not like he's going to get a raise moving to another location.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It would certainly cost more to acquire Seguin than just 6th + Gaudreau.

Would Florida trade 2nd for 6th + Gaudreau? That is likely how Boston would view it.

would Florida trade #2 for Sequin and his 34M contract?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If his hip was really an ongoing problem, i'd be hard pressed to find what effect it's had on his play in the league to this point. Unless 29 goals / 67 pts and 16 goals in the shortened season while buried on a powerhouse team in just his first few seasons somehow demonstrates that it's a detriment to his game..

And despite a lack of output in these playoffs, he stuck out a lot in the finals. Definitely didn't slip into the shadows when things were on the line in that series. Funny how I was thinking while watching that series just how lucky the Bruins were to an upcoming skilled guy like him on their already stacked team.

The argument (and the reason he is available, IMO) is that he has become more of a perimeter player

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

For me, if the Flames pick at 6, 22, 28....it's probably a pretty underwhelming draft. You either get yourself more bullets to shoot, or you go after a guy that you want. Otherwise you're laying back hoping for players to be around when you draft. Thats okay if you have one pick, but not with 3.

There's no hoping needed. With the depth in this draft the Flames know they'll be getting guys they really like at 6, 22 and 28.

That said I have no problem if they package up the two later firsts to move into the teens if a player they have ranked around their top 10 is still available. I also have no problem moving one of the later 1sts back for a couple high 2nds.

[djsFlames]

Sure didn't look like one, from what I saw in those finals.

But playing that Bruins style would be pretty rigorous on a young player, physically. I can see where he might be worried about agitating it if it has been an ongoing issue for years.

Just doesn't appear to be that much of an issue based on his performance thus far.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So Sven doesn't have 1st line potential? Brodie is at best a 3-4 dman? When I think of potential support pieces I am thinking Reinhart, Horak, Wotherspoon. I think Sven and Brodie have first line and top pair upside

"Potential" is a funny thing.

Horak, Reinhart and Wotherspoon are "potential" NHLers at this point, i.e. more than a cup of coffee.

If Sven turns into a 30 goal 50 point player, we should all be ecstatic. Seguin is already blowing that out of the water and Seguin is less than a year older.

If Brodie turns into a legitimate top pairing defender, we should be ecstatic.

Right now the Gulf between Sven and Seguin is massive.

It's not an insult to point that out.

"Our Guy" looks like a potential top 6 forward. "Their Guy" already is.

[fanman]

Originally Posted by 868904

Glencross loves being in Alberta, really don't think he's going to waive for anything. I think he's a lifer here. I really think winning is secondary to Glencross, lifestyle is the priority. Nothing wrong with that, most of us will choose lifestyle over a higher salary in an undesirable location. Plus his salary is set, it's not like he's going to get a raise moving to another location.

It's probably safe to say that he loves living in Alberta, otherwise he never would have signed the contract that he did. I'm not so sure that winning isn't as important to him though. He is also a professional athlete and as such a competitive guy. At one point I had some similar thoughts about Iggy but now he's chasing the elusive cup.

Boston could give Glencross a legitimate chance at winning which is something the Flames can't offer... for a long while at the least. There's no way the Flames can sugar coat it anymore with Iggy gone and Kipper retiring, and even if they tried I can't believe Glencross would be naive enough to buy it. He might want that chance at a ring more than staying, and he can always come back to Alberta in the off season.

Plus he's a gritty, fast, scoring winger and would probably fit into Boston's game plan very well. He also has a very affordable contact, which is worth a lot with the cap going down. The Flames would obviously need to throw something else in (please not the 6th) but it might be a starting point.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

There's no hoping needed. With the depth in this draft the Flames know they'll be getting guys they really like at 6, 22 and 28.

That said I have no problem if they package up the two later firsts to move into the teens if a player they have ranked around their top 10 is still available. I also have no problem moving one of the later 1sts back for a couple high 2nds.

I think this is pretty optimistic. I'm not doom and glooming it, but just because the draft is deep doesn't mean you're guaranteed to draft good players.

The 2003 draft was deep and the Flames picked Ramholt over guys like Bergeron, Backes and Weber. Having and extra 2nd rounder would've been nice that year.

Deep drafts still require good scouting.

Hopefully Calgary comes out of this one like Philly did in their 2003 draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

"Potential" is a funny thing.

Horak, Reinhart and Wotherspoon are "potential" NHLers at this point, i.e. more than a cup of coffee.

If Sven turns into a 30 goal 50 point player, we should all be ecstatic. Seguin is already blowing that out of the water and Seguin is less than a year older.

If Brodie turns into a legitimate top pairing defender, we should be ecstatic.

Right now the Gulf between Sven and Seguin is massive.

It's not an insult to point that out.

"Our Guy" looks like a potential top 6 forward. "Their Guy" already is.

You didn't call them potential building blocks though. You referred to Sven and TJ as potential support pieces. I can agree they are just potential building blocks but disagree with the support pieces comment you made

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't think Seguin is on the block per se, more likely the Bruins are listening to offers but not actively shopping him. And if someone is willing to grossly overpay they'll be waiting to make the deal.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think this is pretty optimistic. I'm not doom and glooming it, but just because the draft is deep doesn't mean you're guaranteed to draft good players.

I didn't guarantee anything except that there will be players left at 6, 22, and 28 that the Flames scouts really like.

They may not all turn out but I think in a deep year it is certainly more likely they do. There was a much lower bust % in 2003 in the first round vs your average year and I think this year will be similar.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You didn't call them potential building blocks though. You referred to Sven and TJ as potential support pieces. I can agree they are just potential building blocks but disagree with the support pieces comment you made

Yeah sure, look at this way.

Mike Cammalleri. If Sven hits some of the high water marks Cammalleri did, I think it's a home run draft selection. It's a pretty high ceiling for potential and it's unlikely he tops out that high, but, even if he does, would you refer to Cammalleri as a Building Block or a support piece?

I would say he's always been a support piece. Undersized finisher playing on the wing.

If Brodie turns into a Giordano type player, depending on what you think of Giordano, you could classify Brodie as a building block (I would say giordano is a support player). Even then, that's probably his absolute ceiling as he hasn't displayed Duncan Keith or even Brian Campbell like skills.

With the departure of Iginla, Bouwmeester and Kipper, Seguin would be the only elite talent in the organization.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 868904

Glencross loves being in Alberta, really don't think he's going to waive for anything. I think he's a lifer here. I really think winning is secondary to Glencross, lifestyle is the priority. Nothing wrong with that, most of us will choose lifestyle over a higher salary in an undesirable location. Plus his salary is set, it's not like he's going to get a raise moving to another location.

Maybe, but don't underestimate a players desire to win. He might not want out today, but another couple of losing seasons could easily change his mind.

Its not like he works on his ranch in the season. He will still have his ranch to work on in the summer no matter where he ends up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah sure, look at this way.

Mike Cammalleri. If Sven hits some of the high water marks Cammalleri did, I think it's a home run draft selection. It's a pretty high ceiling for potential and it's unlikely he tops out that high, but, even if he does, would you refer to Cammalleri as a Building Block or a support piece?

I would say he's always been a support piece. Undersized finisher playing on the wing.

If Brodie turns into a Giordano type player, depending on what you think of Giordano, you could classify Brodie as a building block (I would say giordano is a support player). Even then, that's probably his absolute ceiling as he hasn't displayed Duncan Keith or even Brian Campbell like skills.

With the departure of Iginla, Bouwmeester and Kipper, Seguin would be the only elite talent in the organization.

Brodie is far ahead of where Gio was at 22 years old already looking good in a top 4 role. By the time he is 27-28 I could see him being a 40+ pt top pairing dman

Sven I think still has the potential to be a 30g, 70-80pt first line forward. Sven especially has the drive to be a special player and talent and much more than Mike Cammalleri. I think we will disagree and what we each view the long term ceiling of both Sven and Brodie. I think they have the ability to be more than just another Cammy and Gio

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

"Potential" is a funny thing.

Horak, Reinhart and Wotherspoon are "potential" NHLers at this point, i.e. more than a cup of coffee.

If Sven turns into a 30 goal 50 point player, we should all be ecstatic. Seguin is already blowing that out of the water and Seguin is less than a year older.

If Brodie turns into a legitimate top pairing defender, we should be ecstatic.

Right now the Gulf between Sven and Seguin is massive.

It's not an insult to point that out.

"Our Guy" looks like a potential top 6 forward. "Their Guy" already is.

I think Sequin would be very good for Sven's development. Sven has the tools and loves to score, those 2 might just be our little Towes and Kane.

Some good building blocks if the Flames do acquire Seguin. Who knows we may not get another chance to get a guy like Seguin, considering how we finish just short of the playoffs. On the Plus if we got Seguin and don't finish well this season we have next years draft to add a few more pieces.