[Trade] Flames acquire Shane O'Brien and David Jones for Tanguay and Sarich

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's more than just Feaster. Weisbrod is showing that he has no idea what he's talking about and King is scaring away potential help like Shanahan.

Shanahan asked for the key to the city and King even talked to Nenshi but our Mayor refused to do so therefore Shanahan declined.

See I can make up crap too.

Hit the bottle and go to sleep and comeback in September when the roster is set so you can complain and make up stuff all at once

[Azhouse]

Looking at Jones stats he had an off year last year. I expect a rebound.

[Blaster86]

O'Brien staying in the division? Good. Gooooood.

[Oil Stain]

This looks like a deal designed to ensure that the Flames get a high draft pick this season.

Flames got the two worst players in the deal, for the same cap hit, and the players they got likely don't have any upside left.

Just a bad trade for the Flames IMO.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

O'Brien staying in the division? Good. Gooooood.

The mighty Canucks got swept in the first round? Good. Gooooood.

[Vulcan]

I like Tanguay but he had to go. There was no room on LW for him if we wanted to give Baertschi quality playing time.

I also like Sarich and couldn't understand why he didn't dress consistently unless he's playing injured. I think he's probably damaged goods and his career will be over soon.

The return, I'll wait to see how they fit in and produce but we needed to get bigger and younger, especially at RW.

I guess Cammalleri will be the next to go since he wants out but I wouldn't be anxious to move him. I think he plays a solid game and can play some centre. He also played okay after his buddy was moved, despite his heart not being in it, so once he hits the ice his competitive instincts take over not like Tanguay's.

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

This looks like a deal designed to ensure that the Flames get a high draft pick this season.

Flames got the two worst players in the deal, for the same cap hit, and the players they got likely don't have any upside left.

Just a bad trade for the Flames IMO.

It's not like Tanguay and Sarich had any upside for this team. they are both 34 and 35.

I'm thinking Jones and O'Brien are more of just a placeholder until our prospects are ready to come up. I dunno... It's a very meh trade.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The mighty Canucks got swept in the first round? Good. Gooooood.

Hey it happens, but we'll get another crack at the play-offs next year and you guys will have Shane O'Brien planning the year-end Vegas trip for April by December.

What's the big bar there, Cowboys? They must be rubbing their hands together.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And how much did Glencross make when we first acquired him? Hell, how much does he make now?

Well you can't really compare the 2 because Glencross had a grand total of 15 NHL goals between 3 seasons, while Jones had been developing into a solid 20 goal scorer when he got his last contract. So yes, Glencross' contract of 1.2 million was better than Jones 4 million. Jones is a safer bet than Glencross was to be a top 6 player for us (Which isn't really what Calgary wants I don't think, at least long term).

Anyways, yes, Jones' contract is worse than Glencross'. Why is that a terrible thing to you though? He is not an anchor, he is not a liability on the ice, and we aren't a good team right now. Having or not having Jones on our team isn't going to make a big difference one way or the other 3 years from now. I'm very, very confident about that.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Well you can't really compare the 2 because Glencross had a grand total of 15 NHL goals between 3 seasons, while Jones had been developing into a solid 20 goal scorer when he got his last contract. So yes, Glencross' contract of 1.2 million was better than Jones 4 million. Jones is a safer bet than Glencross was to be a top 6 player for us (Which isn't really what Calgary wants I don't think, at least long term).

Anyways, yes, Jones' contract is worse than Glencross'. Why is that a terrible thing to you though? He is not an anchor, he is not a liability on the ice, and we aren't a good team right now. Having or not having Jones on our team isn't going to make a big difference one way or the other 3 years from now. I'm very, very confident about that.

The only asset Jones has is his shot. He is awful to below average in every other aspect.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Hey it happens, but we'll get another crack at the play-offs next year and you guys will have Shane O'Brien planning the year-end Vegas trip for April by December.

What's the big bar there, Cowboys? They must be rubbing their hands together.

Rub it in our faces in some other forum.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

This looks like a deal designed to ensure that the Flames get a high draft pick this season.

Flames got the two worst players in the deal, for the same cap hit, and the players they got likely don't have any upside left.

Just a bad trade for the Flames IMO.

Luckily for us, your opinion doesn't matter at all.

Personally, I'd say Tanguay > Jones > SOB > Sarich.

One can argue Sarich is better than SOB, but to say Sarich is the 2nd best player in the deal is ridiculous.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

You said he's a 10 point 3rd liner, his totals from last year (in 33 games which you failed to mention). Why ignore his previous seasons when he was much better?

If you can say he's a 10 point 3rd liner then I can say he's a 27 goal scorer, which he did the year before.

2 years before, fact checker

And I realise that he once scored 45 points, but he has definitely regressed with each passing season all the way down to where he is now. For the record I dont think he will cap out at 10 points, but I also dont expect him to get back to his ~40 point pace even though he is very much paid as such.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The only asset Jones has is his shot. He is awful to below average in every other aspect.

You are starting to piss me off with your negativity everywhere lately.

[Azhouse]

Physical big bodied player with a good shot - bummer.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

This looks like a deal designed to ensure that the Flames get a high draft pick this season.

Flames got the two worst players in the deal, for the same cap hit, and the players they got likely don't have any upside left.

Just a bad trade for the Flames IMO.

A 34 and 35 year old have upside?

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

This looks like a deal designed to ensure that the Flames get a high draft pick this season.

Flames got the two worst players in the deal, for the same cap hit, and the players they got likely don't have any upside left.

Just a bad trade for the Flames IMO.

And Tanguay and Sarich are just oozing with upside, aren't they?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Rub it in our faces in some other forum.

Hey I wasn't planning on going there, I had simply wanted to make fun of Shane O'Brien. Your compatriot wanted the play-offs to be a focal point, so I let it!

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The only asset Jones has is his shot. He is awful to below average in every other aspect.

And at this point in his career, the only asset Tanguay has is his pass. He is awful to below average in every other aspect (and yes that includes his shot, if you only use it once every 3 games you can't rate it as an above average shot). So again, why is this a bad trade? It's a total meh trade that seriously won't make a real difference to our team, other than get some old guys out of here. And if Jones shows that his last season was a blip, well, all the better for us.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Hey it happens, but we'll get another crack at the play-offs next year and you guys will have Shane O'Brien planning the year-end Vegas trip for April by December.

What's the big bar there, Cowboys? They must be rubbing their hands together.

Are you sure you're that confident in that statement?

And even if you are, I love how the statement has regressed from 'another shot at the cup' to 'another crack at making the playoffs'