[Trade] Flames acquire Shane O'Brien and David Jones for Tanguay and Sarich

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Absolute BS. The Flames are one of the most skilled lineups in the league by far. They only finished 13 points out a play off spot and were 2 inches shorter and 20-30 pounds lighter than most teams they played.

If they banned hitting the 2012-13 Flames are easily a playoff team.

I cant tell if this is sarcastic or not. 13 points is a huge margin to miss the playoffs by. Regardless of how light, small, weak you are. Just ask the Canadians. And before anyone says the east is weak physically, just remember there are some tough teams there to.

Saying if they banned hitting its just redundant as far as arguing what they could or couldnt have done out there.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Absolute BS. The Flames are one of the most skilled lineups in the league by far. They only finished 13 points out a play off spot and were 2 inches shorter and 20-30 pounds lighter than most teams they played.

If they banned hitting the 2012-13 Flames are easily a playoff team.

They had good finishers - that's only one skill. The overall skill level was and is pretty poor still.

[dissentowner]

How can somebody not like this? Tanguay is a whiny brat, we don't need his cry baby attitude on this team. Sarich is a shell of what he was. We got two gritty guys back who are younger and have not been a part of the rotten core that this team had. High five to Feaster on this one.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Team that gets the best player wins the trade.

Avs win this easily.

Feaster should have got a pick for taking a bad contract. Jones at $4 million until 2016 is bad unless he gets 25 goals each season. Not sure he can do that here.

I can't believe people still say this. The most baseless expression ever.

Anyway nothing special, not much value on either side. Flames get rid of one of their 20 LWers and address some weaknesses.

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by polak

Obviously the 3 goal comment was a joke guys. Come on.

The point is we took one of our only expendable players with positive value and traded them for negative value. You can call it a minor trade but when a minor trade involves one of your teams best players, I think you have a problem.

I liked this place better when you were in Europe...

[t0rrent98]

Looks like Jones tops out at a top 6 forward at best, while O'Brien can play top 4 minutes... Both Tangs and Sarich pretty much double the amount of games played alone against these guys, where's the leadership and experience going to come from on this team now? Giordano? Glencross?

Also, it may also look like the shootout will be a distaster without Tangs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Looks like Jones tops out at a top 6 forward at best, while O'Brien can play top 4 minutes... Both Tangs and Sarich pretty much double the amount of games played alone against these guys, where's the leadership and experience going to come from on this team now? Giordano? Glencross?

Did you think it was going to come from Tanguay?

[moon]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Looks like Jones tops out at a top 6 forward at best, while O'Brien can play top 4 minutes...

Top 4 minutes?

Where does it look like that?

He struggles to stay in the line-up consistently. In the AHL he would be borderline top 4 minutes.

[Stay Golden]

Flames get younger and stronger physically.
Sarich was a warrior type D but the coaching staff wasn't playing him since he has lost a step.
If Jones can get back to his 20 goals then this is a great trade.
Being a 6'2 210 Winger known for being physical, great.
O'brien I never liked but mostly just because he is a jerk to play against and was a VAN player, but now he is our jerk. 6'3 230 physical Dman.
As for Tangs, he was moping without #12 and I predict it would have been noticeable this season how much Iggy helped his point total.
We wanted the Flames to be tougher to play against in the corners and along the boards, with this trade they just did address that desperate need.

Overall like the trade.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by moon

Top 4 minutes?

Where does it look like that?

He struggles to stay in the line-up consistently. In the AHL he would be borderline top 4 minutes.

Top 4 minutes on the worst team in the league.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

Top 4 minutes?

Where does it look like that?

He struggles to stay in the line-up consistently. In the AHL he would be borderline top 4 minutes.

Yup. SOB will be in and out of the lineup, not playing top 4 minutes. Its the part of the trade that i do not like. At least with Sarich we only had to wait until the deadline to get him off the books.

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

With Polak hating the trade, I feel comfortable knowing the Flames did the right move.

On tapatalk - but agreed. When certain people are so vocal in their hatred, I sleep better knowing they don't like it. It means it's probably a schrewd, savvy move that requires a lot of thought to appreciate.

[Rejean31]

Gonna call it right now. David Jones outscores Alex Tanguay next season.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I think moon made the best point in this thread: The Flames have a lot bigger problems than who is better between Sarich and O'Brien.

It's more or less a wash.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by moon

Top 4 minutes?

Where does it look like that?

He struggles to stay in the line-up consistently. In the AHL he would be borderline top 4 minutes.

Before the lockout season he managed to play in at least 76 games in 5 of his first 6 seasons of his career while also putting up 40 NHL playoff games as well with some good second round runs with the Nucks (twice) and Preds (Once)

He isn't anything special but he isn't just a facewash guy who is good for maybe 40 games either, he can play defense and has done so on some pretty deep teams.

[MisterJoji]

Not a bad trade in my opinion. We had a glut of LW's who all could use top 9 ice-time in Hudler, Baertschi and Glencross in addition to Horak and few other prospects who will be battling for ice time. Out of Hudler, Baertschi, Glencross and Tanguay, Alex is the odd man out every time. He has lots of skill but is weak defensively and is a pouter when things aren't going his way. Jones is just what we need as a youngish RW with size and grit and good offensive potential. He may not have looked great this passed year, but he's only 28 and will get tonnes of opportunity to regain his scoring touch here in Calgary. Also, his salary cap hit is only 0.5 million more than Tanguay, and lets face it, cap space is not currently a problem.

O'Brien is a bit of a ######bag but he's going to be in the pressbox more often than not with Giordano, Brodie, and Wideman definitely ahead of him on the depth chart. He'll still also have to out play the likes of Cundari, Breen, Butler, Wotherspoon, Ramage, etc. I don't think he'll be seeing too much ice time.

Everyone loves to hate on Feaster but anyone who thinks Sarich and Tanguay would've fetched us a 2nd rounder or a good prospect are kidding themselves.

Decent trade in my books.

[Fire]

I like the trade.

Tanguay would have been pouting all season long. It would have been painful to watch. Not a leader for the rebuild.

Sarich was a good leader but has been over the hill a couple of seasons ago.

Jones is a bigger forward this team desperately needs, but it's a question mark if he can return to his 20+ goal form. I see him getting 15-20 next season because most likely he will be on the top two lines.

O'Brien is a perfect guy for the bottom pairing. Hopefully he bumps Butler, the guy who isn't good at any facet of the game, into the press box.

The Flames are now tougher to play against.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Looks like Jones tops out at a top 6 forward at best, while O'Brien can play top 4 minutes... Both Tangs and Sarich pretty much double the amount of games played alone against these guys, where's the leadership and experience going to come from on this team now? Giordano? Glencross?

Sarich would have (or at least should have) had a permanent seat up in the pressbox. Good locker room guy should only really matter if he's in the locker room. If the young guys need experience during practice, that's what the coaching staff should be bringing as well. Losing Sarich didn't cost the Flames anything, only saved them from having to pay him another 2M at least in my opinion.

Tanguay was a veteran with skill, so I can understand that being hesitant on getting rid of him. But if he wanted out or wasn't committed to the rebuild they needed to cut ties with him. Bringing in some size with Jones up front for a rebuild isn't a bad plan at all, although I still hope they look at players like Clarkson or Horton. If this was the best Tanguay could have got, especially with his NTC probably limiting the Flames possibly, I'm fine with it.

[Azhouse]

I like it.

Tanguay's career was almost finished when he played with Tampa (healthy scratches etc.)? He throw up the big pout when Jarome got traded.

Good riddance. Maybe he'll request that they bring Iggy to Colorado to keep his career afloat one more time.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I think moon made the best point in this thread: The Flames have a lot bigger problems than who is better between Sarich and O'Brien.

It's more or less a wash.

O'Brien is better, especially when considering team needs ATM. 5 years younger for the same amount of dollars, with an extra year for term and pretty much the same type of player. O'Brien is the better player just like Jones is, great deal for the Flames IMO.