Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nichushkin is not nor will ever be a checker.

He's in the dictionary under "one dimension", might not be a bad thing but he'll never be a defensive forward....ever!

Not saying he would be a 'checker', merely that he has the size to learn the ropes on a 3rd or 4th line - ala Jumbo Joe. Backlund saw LOTS of time on the 4th line, and I would argue he should have gone back to the Heat instead of being on the 4th line.

Hypothetically, if Drouin was Russian and he couldn't make the top 6, could you see him on a 4th line? Probably not. Nichushkin is around 6'4" and over 200lbs - you can legitimately start him on the 4th line if he doesn't earn top 6 minutes, and have him work his way up the lineup. "Safer", in my opinion, when you are looking at the pesky "Russian factor". He already has more than enough NHL speed, and I actually would expect him to make the Flames. The Russian factor doesn't scare me about him one bit because of this factor. Could just be me over-thinking it, but it makes sense to me that he could legitimately make the Flames squad on RW in the very least as a 4th line energy player and gradually moving up as the season progresses and as he himself progresses and gets used to the NHL game. I am betting he comes in at around 220 or so (I think he is at 210 on some scouting sites - not too much of a reach for him to gain 10lbs when he is apparently very focused on training here without the distraction of friends and a lifestyle he is used to back home).

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by T@T

Crystal ball asks..who's the best player available?

If you need a defensman you take who you think is the best, if it's a center...so on.

That's how to build a team.

No, that is not how you build a team. That is how you make trades and FA signings in order to finish a team.

The better way is to always draft BPA, and if two prospects are very close, then you pick by need. Few teams pick by need, as things can change quickly in an organization.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I wonder if Carolina would at all be tempted by an offer of Wideman + #22 + #28 for #5? They need D now it would seem like

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I wonder if Carolina would at all be tempted by an offer of Wideman + #22 + #28 for #5? They need D now it would seem like

that seems like a lot to give up (2 x 1st rounders) to move up a spot and rid ourselves of wideman, no?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

that seems like a lot to give up (2 x 1st rounders) to move up a spot and rid ourselves of wideman, no?

Flames would do that in a heart beat, Canes get screwed

[loob job]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

that seems like a lot to give up (2 x 1st rounders) to move up a spot and rid ourselves of wideman, no?

We would still have our pick at 6 in his scenario.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I heard Buffalo also has "heavy" interest in Nichuskin (though probably more legitimate). Having in part to do with Grigorenko being a big piece in their system already.

Maybe Calgary is then pulling a Colorado for the 5-10 teams. Get someone to offer a deal too good for Carolina to refuse, they nab Nichuskin, we get one of the centers. And Buffalo has plenty of assets to deal.

Russians like playing in the Buffalo area (New York, etc.). Huge Russian community there. So the Sabres have an edge attracting and keeping Russians.

[Commandant]

The Mock Draft Part 3: 31-45

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...3-picks-31-45/

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Flames would do that in a heart beat, Canes get screwed

i suppose if the drop in sure fire talent is large enough in that 1 draft position than it makes sense.

I'd be willing to do this to get into the top 4 to ensure we get 1 of mackinnon/droin/barkov.

from a distance, i don't know if there's that big of a drop between the next tier that may be available at 5/6 (maybe barkov, the russian, monahan, lindholm).

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Commandant

The Mock Draft Part 3: 31-45

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...3-picks-31-45/

Thanks for your Mock Draft, and also for linking to the Mock Draft database. Cool.

[Stay Golden]

John Shannon was a guest on fan 960 speaking about the Flames the Flames drafting habits.

The Flames have not had a 2nd round pick from 2005 until last year when they took Sieloff. ( A CP fact checker can look into this i don't have time).
Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.
Again the Flames do not have a 2nd round pick in this draft and last night between Boston and Chicago there were 11 first round picks and 10 second round picks playing.
Said that he feels if history repeats itself that the Flames will not select from the OHL much talked about Sean Monahan.
If all of this is true...
Todd Button just what have you been doing at the draft, clearly being out scouted by most teams and running the future into the ground.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

John Shannon was a guest on fan 960 speaking about the Flames the Flames drafting habits.

The Flames have not had a 2nd round pick from 2005 until last year when they took Sieloff. ( A CP fact checker can look into this i don't have time).
Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.
Again the Flames do not have a 2nd round pick in this draft and last night between Boston and Chicago there were 11 first round picks and 10 second round picks playing.
Said that he feels if history repeats itself that the Flames will not select from the OHL much talked about Sean Monahan.
If all of this is true...
Todd Button just what have you been doing at the draft, clearly being out scouted by most teams and running the future into the ground.

Tyler Wotherspoon and Markus Granlund in 2011

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

John Shannon was a guest on fan 960 speaking about the Flames the Flames drafting habits.

The Flames have not had a 2nd round pick from 2005 until last year when they took Sieloff. ( A CP fact checker can look into this i don't have time).
Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.
Again the Flames do not have a 2nd round pick in this draft and last night between Boston and Chicago there were 11 first round picks and 10 second round picks playing.
Said that he feels if history repeats itself that the Flames will not select from the OHL much talked about Sean Monahan.
If all of this is true...
Todd Button just what have you been doing at the draft, clearly being out scouted by most teams and running the future into the ground.

Flames had a 2nd in 2008 and selected Wahl.
They also had two of them in 2011 and selected Granlund and Wotherspoon.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames had a 2nd in 2008 and selected Wahl.
They also had two of them in 2011 and selected Granlund and Wotherspoon.

And what's even better is they didn't have 2nds in 2005 OR 2004 - prior to 2008 the next one comes in 2003.
So basically he was wrong in almost every way possible.

[RyZ]

Nichushkins KHL stat line worries me. His numbers are nowhere even close to some of the other big name Russians in that league. At the same age. He seems closer to a Kuznetsov than a Malkin.

There is no way he would go ahead of Jones and McKinnon, Canadian or not.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.

The Flames drafted Greg Nemisz from the OHL the same year as Brodie.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Flames need to take best player available & not the best center available.

The Flames need to draft the best player that will actually play for them.

By all accounts, Nichushkin is the type of player that may refuse to even put on the teams' jersey if he doesn't like them.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Nichushkins KHL stat line worries me. His numbers are nowhere even close to some of the other big name Russians in that league. At the same age. He seems closer to a Kuznetsov than a Malkin.

There is no way he would go ahead of Jones and McKinnon, Canadian or not.

Very few players are close to Malkin. Kuznetsov is considered one of the best prospects in the entire world right now - if the Flames drafted Nich and he ended up that good, and came over, that would be juuuust fine.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

John Shannon was a guest on fan 960 speaking about the Flames the Flames drafting habits.

The Flames have not had a 2nd round pick from 2005 until last year when they took Sieloff. ( A CP fact checker can look into this i don't have time).
Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.
Again the Flames do not have a 2nd round pick in this draft and last night between Boston and Chicago there were 11 first round picks and 10 second round picks playing.
Said that he feels if history repeats itself that the Flames will not select from the OHL much talked about Sean Monahan.
If all of this is true...
Todd Button just what have you been doing at the draft, clearly being out scouted by most teams and running the future into the ground.

Shannon clearly didn't do much research if he said any of this.

He really thinks the Flames have a predisposition against drafting OHL players, therefore they won't draft Monahan?

lulz

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

John Shannon was a guest on fan 960 speaking about the Flames the Flames drafting habits.

The Flames have not had a 2nd round pick from 2005 until last year when they took Sieloff. ( A CP fact checker can look into this i don't have time).
Mentioned that the Flames have had a strange trend of not drafting from the OHL which continues to produce the most NHL players yearly.
Last OHL player the Flames drafted 5 years ago TJ Brodie. In those past 5 years 180 OHL players have been drafted and made it to the NHL.
Again the Flames do not have a 2nd round pick in this draft and last night between Boston and Chicago there were 11 first round picks and 10 second round picks playing.
Said that he feels if history repeats itself that the Flames will not select from the OHL much talked about Sean Monahan.
If all of this is true...
Todd Button just what have you been doing at the draft, clearly being out scouted by most teams and running the future into the ground.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames had a 2nd in 2008 and selected Wahl.
They also had two of them in 2011 and selected Granlund and Wotherspoon.

Just want to clarify that is what Shannon said i'm just posting it.
amazing how someone in the media can throw out "facts or figures" around like that and they are not true hey. The 960 morning crew didn't correct him so how accurate are they as interviewers as well.