I dont ser whats wrong with this at all!! I would be so happy for the kids to get lits of icetime, build some chemistry and then dradt Mcdavid 1st overall next draft!
I really hope we are the worst team points wise in the nhl next season for the benefit of the next 10+ years.
I dont ser whats wrong with this at all!! I would be so happy for the kids to get lits of icetime, build some chemistry and then dradt Mcdavid 1st overall next draft!
I really hope we are the worst team points wise in the nhl next season for the benefit of the next 10+ years.
This draft I think will set which direction things will go. If they get 3 NHL quality players (2 top six forwards and a third line player) in the first round (any players found in the rest of the draft would be extra gravy) coupled with what will most likely be a top five pick next year would certainly speed up the process. If this draft bombs and we don't get anything worth while then it will definitely be a few years.
I think the biggest difference between the Oilers and the Flames is that the Flames still have some competent NHL components (even blowing the team up we didn't finish last in the league something the Oilers made look ridiculously easy).
It will be great for the Flames if they get three quality players from this draft, but realistically those players will be minimum 2-3 seasons away from being impact guys. Look at the Oilers and their first overalls still growing. It took Hall three seasons to really start breaking out.
Really, the only desirable vets left on the Calgary team are Glencross and Giordano. The rest is pretty bleh. They have a couple of good youngsters in Baertschi and Brodie. They have a lot of holes to fill, and I think they are still on the way down.
It will be great for the Flames if they get three quality players from this draft, but realistically those players will be minimum 2-3 seasons away from being impact guys. Look at the Oilers and their first overalls still growing. It took Hall three seasons to really start breaking out.
Really, the only desirable vets left on the Calgary team are Glencross and Giordano. The rest is pretty bleh. They have a couple of good youngsters in Baertschi and Brodie. They have a lot of holes to fill, and I think they are still on the way down.
Oh I agree the Flames are down. I just think their progression will be better then the Oilers (30, 30, 29th, 24th) given they have multiple picks in a deep draft and the prospects are distributed in all positions. Within three years there should be a significant addition of talent (Wotherspoon, Granlund, Sielof, Jankowski, Gaudreau, 3 first rounders from this year, top five pick from next years draft to fill in those holes.
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what this means.
It's basically a list of how many people are betting (or are immediately expected to bet) for each team to win the conference.
That's all.
It's not any kind of predicted or projected ranking. Just a summary of who people are betting on.
Not true. Bookmakers use their projections on what they think will happen and make adjustments due to betting volume. Many people may be unaware of how betting volume plays a part, but you're equally misguided in thinking "That's all".
Good times for me being a huge Flames and Raiders fan. I have all summer to read about how bad both teams will be and then get to endure the fun of watching both teams lose on a regular basis in their regular seasons. Oh well as long as they make the right decisions and build the teams properly I'm on board with the rebuilding process.
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Not true. Bookmakers use their projections on what they think will happen and make adjustments due to betting volume. Many people may be unaware of how betting volume plays a part, but you're equally misguided in thinking "That's all".
That's why I said its based on how people have bet, and how they're expected to bet.
Just pointing out that this is just an indicator of how punters are betting, rather than any analysis of the sport. Somebody who's never even heard of hockey would produce the same numbers.
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That's why I said its based on how people have bet, and how they're expected to bet.
Just pointing out that this is just an indicator of how punters are betting, rather than any analysis of the sport. Somebody who's never even heard of hockey would produce the same numbers.
It's a fair point to tell people that betting volume plays a part in the odds, but you're still saying it's the only thing that matters and that's not true. It's both. It's partially based on betting volume and partly based on predicting the outcome of the event. Besides taking into account who people are betting on, bookmakers use teams of expert handicappers who make their best projections on what will actually happen in order to set the odds. They wouldn't make money if they just did what you're saying.
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There are a team of people employed by any bookmaker, usually referred to as Traders, Risk Analysts or Odds Compilers. Their job is to produce odds that closely represent the chance of an occurrence.
As much as I'm biased, I think where the Oilers sit is largely because of the media hype they get for their young players and people falsely believing they have to turn the corner sometime.
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Backlund was drafted at 24th overall. He's actually doing fairly well for his draft position.
I'm not sure how you can conclude he's topped out at 16 goals and 40 points either. He seems to be getting better and better. This year he put up 8 goals in 32 games, which is above a 16 goal pace. That was despite only getting 15 minutes of ice time a night. He clearly has the offensive potential to be a 2nd line centre.
I also think his "softness" is overated. This year he was digging a lot in the corners.
The major knock against Backlund is that he is a late bloomer, which is very common for Swedish forwards. I don't think he'll be an all-star, but at 24 he was a solid pick, and I'm impressed with his development of late.
And let's not forget about Backlund's fight Not a bruiser, but making great efforts to make his game grittier.
Just to add to this excellent post: Backlund's development seemed to really pick up the last 2-3 years. Up until then it wasn't even certain he would make the NHL because he hadn't progressed a lot since his draft day. That tells me the Flames development group took a different approach with Backlund (and other players) to turn them into quality NHL players. How great they become once they reach the NHL comes down to their individual talent level.
I'd say that turning a 4th round pick in Brodie into a top 2 defenseman with good offensive abilities speaks to the ability of the Flames group to at least do something right. That isn't always going to happen, but the chances of turning someone below the 2nd round into a top NHLer in the decade before the last few years was about 1/100 for the Flames. Here are the most recent examples:
David Moss-7th round 2001
Matthew Lombardi-3rd round 2002 (draft re-entry)
Brandon Prust- 3rd round 2004
Adam Pardy?- 6th round 2004
*Keith Aulie?- 4th round 2007 (*didn't show any promise in our system but worked out elsewhere)
Lance Bouma?-3rd round 2008 TJ Brodie-4th round 2008
Joni Ortio?-TBD-6th round 2009
Then you start to see the Flames begin changing their tactics for prospect drafting and development which actually started with Daryl Sutter so he deserves some credit for that. Note in particular the potential for these players to not only make the NHL, but be impact players.
Max Reinhart-3rd round 2010
John Ramage, Bill Arnold TBD-4th round 2010
Michael Ferland TBD-5th round 2010
John Gaudreau TBD-4th round 2011
Laurent Brossoit TBD-6th round 2011
Jon Gillies TBD-3rd round 2012
Of particular interest is Adam Cracknell, who was drafted by the Flames in 2004 in the 9th round, kicked around our system for several years and never showed any potential, and then was picked up by the Blues in 2009. The first season he has a significant increase in offensive totals in the AHL. 2010 he continues his pace and immediately got his first call up to the big club. He continues to develop, and subsequently turned him into a decent depth power winger for the big club. So much so they recently re-signed him to a one year one way deal. Seems like the Flames really fatad up that pick.
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It almost looks like we do better with our later picks than we do with our 1st and 2nd rounders. I think a case could be made that out of our 2012 draft, Jon Gillies (3rd round) and Brett Kulak (4th round) look the most promising of our picks.
Oh I agree the Flames are down. I just think their progression will be better then the Oilers (30, 30, 29th, 24th) given they have multiple picks in a deep draft and the prospects are distributed in all positions. Within three years there should be a significant addition of talent (Wotherspoon, Granlund, Sielof, Jankowski, Gaudreau, 3 first rounders from this year, top five pick from next years draft to fill in those holes.
Yea, but after hitting rock bottom, the Oilers basically made zero efforts to improve for two seasons.
If the Flames are serious about trying to compete and chase free agents they should be able to finish 20-27th 2-3 times on their way back up. Not sure what the best way to go is, but its nice having an elite talent on the squad.
It almost looks like we do better with our later picks than we do with our 1st and 2nd rounders. I think a case could be made that out of our 2012 draft, Jon Gillies (3rd round) and Brett Kulak (4th round) look the most promising of our picks.
The Flames have made horrible first round selections for years in the 00's, but our later picks have been a lot of absolute busts...not even making the AHL.
Jon Gillies absolutely was a good pick, but he was a relatively unknown commodity on draft day.
Kulak might be promising, but I would say Sieloff has much better potential to be an impact player at the NHL level, if only because he would be a more talented version of Cory Sarich with leadership.
I really think Jankowski will be a good-to-excellent player in about 3 years time, as long as nothing derails his development track.
Baertschi was a great pick at 13. Granlund and Wotherspoon look to be pretty solid 2nd round selections.
The Flames have done much better of late in the first 2 rounds (where most NHL players come from), so I hope they get it right this upcoming draft day. If none of the top 3 picks become available, do the best with what you've got, which is still plenty to work with.
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