Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[dammage79]

Just to add to MissTeeks post:

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 18m
#Flames GM Jay Feaster addresses CGY media Fri. Last chance before @NHLDraft2013. To NHL GM Meetings in Boston Next Week. #Wheelin+dealin?


Fair to say we've all been Jonesin' pretty hard for some Flames stuff. Should make for a good friday.

[kyuss275]

Thanks MissTeeks for the info. I will not be able to listen live and am hoping a poster will be able to recap for me and others. Will get back home by 6, but must know before hand.

This draft and its prospects have become an obsession. I have never done so much research on draft prospects in my life, and am starting to feel that the flames need to give me a call for my opinion.LOL

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Thanks MissTeeks for the info. I will not be able to listen live and am hoping a poster will be able to recap for me and others. Will get back home by 6, but must know before hand.

This draft and its prospects have become an obsession. I have never done so much research on draft prospects in my life, and am starting to feel that the flames need to give me a call for my opinion.LOL

...assuming you're like me, you want the Flames to get another pick or 2 or 3 or 4 in the top 60

This draft is deep, but having never done so much research on draft eligible players before, it makes this draft seem considerably deeper, from my perspective.

I wish he Flames had more 1st and 2nd rounders!!!!

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Flames first round selections should be dedicated to drafting skaters that can make it to the NHL in the next 1-3 years as a part of the rebuild. No projects, no off-the-board picks, no goalies.

I disagree,

Best Player Available > Most NHL Ready Prospects.

The Flames dont need to rush the rebuild, if they take Jankowski 2.0 sooner or later were gonna hit a homerun on a prospect like that.

I also think the flames should trade #28 for 2 2nd rounders, even if ones in 2014, and if not then you take BPA

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I disagree,

Best Player Available > Most NHL Ready Prospects.

The Flames dont need to rush the rebuild, if they take Jankowski 2.0 sooner or later were gonna hit a homerun on a prospect like that.

I also think the flames should trade #28 for 2 2nd rounders, even if ones in 2014, and if not then you take BPA

That might apply if you were talking about a top 5 pick where even then people are having a hard time deciding who is BPA. By the time you get to the #22 pick you are not selecting Fucale because he is BPA, you are selecting him because you want the BGA. The only reason you want the BGA is because your team needs a goalie and the Flames do not.

To be clear, I am not suggesting that the Flames go after the Most NHL Ready Prospect. I am saying the Flames need to focus on the team needs in positions that are faster to develop (everything other than goalie). We need to avoid drafting a "project" in this draft in that we need to try to go BPA instead of trying to outsmart everyone with projects like Jankowski when the draft is considered to be so deep in talented alternatives. At very least save the cute, smart pick for the third round when the depth of the draft drops off.

[icecube]

What if Fucale turned into a Carey Price or Cam Ward, and was ready to contribute as a starter in a few years? Wouldn't that be worth a measly late first rounder?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by icecube

What if Fucale turned into a Carey Price or Cam Ward, and was ready to contribute as a starter in a few years? Wouldn't that be worth a measly late first rounder?

Sure, but that's like saying what if Adam Erne makes the team out of camp and is a top 6 player within the year. All great in theory, but not guaranteed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by icecube

What if Fucale turned into a Carey Price or Cam Ward, and was ready to contribute as a starter in a few years? Wouldn't that be worth a measly late first rounder?

Or he could be another really good junior goaltender that struggles in the pros like Irving. This is too good of a draft to waste a pick on a goaltender. Let another team roll the dice on this kid as this franchise has wasted way too many first round picks on goaltenders.

[icecube]

There are no guarantees anywhere in the draft though. If you think a goalie has great upside to be a starter, what's wrong with picking them in the first round? I doubt Florida is upset they used a first on Markstrom, or Tbay with Vasilevski or Anaheim with Gibson. There are good goalie prospects to be had in the first round.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

At the STH meeting it sounded to me like feaster had no interest in a goalie in the first round. Something to the effect of if they do play well, it is usually not for the team that drafts them

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by icecube

What if Fucale turned into a Carey Price or Cam Ward, and was ready to contribute as a starter in a few years? Wouldn't that be worth a measly late first rounder?

The fact that there are so few names of successful 1st round goaltenders to name should be proof enough.

Goalies are pure crap shoot. You cannot predict them. Why couldn't scouts predict the season Gillies would have had after his draft year?

Goaltender (and LW) is a position of depth for this team. Let's address to real needs (C, RW, D).

Fucale put up a .909 SV% on by far the best team in the CHL. That is not impressive.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

...assuming you're like me, you want the Flames to get another pick or 2 or 3 or 4 in the top 60 :)

This draft is deep, but having never done so much research on draft eligible players before, it makes this draft seem considerably deeper, from my perspective.

I wish he Flames had more 1st and 2nd rounders!!!!

Yep i would love to see Calgary add another top 60 pick. If they do it, it probably will not be from a trade of a player. I think they will trade Tanguay, but no chance he brings back a 2nd round pick. It would probably be from trading down from the 22 or 28 pick. My gut tells me with such a deep draft that it will have to be pick #22 to land 2 seconds.

I also will not be surprised if one of the latter picks is used to pick up a NHL player. I really have my doubts that the flames will be using their 3 first round picks where they lie.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That might apply if you were talking about a top 5 pick where even then people are having a hard time deciding who is BPA. By the time you get to the #22 pick you are not selecting Fucale because he is BPA, you are selecting him because you want the BGA. The only reason you want the BGA is because your team needs a goalie and the Flames do not.

I didnt say anything about taking a goalie...

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Yep i would love to see Calgary add another top 60 pick. If they do it, it probably will not be from a trade of a player. I think they will trade Tanguay, but no chance he brings back a 2nd round pick. It would probably be from trading down from the 22 or 28 pick. My gut tells me with such a deep draft that it will have to be pick #22 to land 2 seconds.

I also will not be surprised if one of the latter picks is used to pick up a NHL player. I really have my doubts that the flames will be using their 3 first round picks where they lie.

I am sure we could get a 2nd round pick if we take DiPietro from the Isles...

Maybe we deal our 2nd next year for a 2nd this year or our 3rd and 4th for a late second. Would Minny trade their 2nd to reunite the Granlund Bros? Agree with you that this is the year to stock up and Weisbrod seems very bullish on this years' crop all the way into round 3.

[djsFlames]

If you're trading down at the draft it's the 28th or nothing. With a great talent or two possibly falling far enough for us to pick at that 22 spot, we need to keep it. eg. Baertschi was projected 7-10 and we picked him up at 13. Or say the mock draft is actually how it went down and a guy like Lazar who was ranked 12th by ISS fell to 22, then there's no doubt you want to have possession of that pick to snag him. Probably a lot more potential than 2 second rounders. There's a lot less of a chance that a gem falls as far as 28th, though, so it's a safer pick to trade for a couple seconds, imo.

[MikaelBacklund]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The fact that there are so few names of successful 1st round goaltenders to name should be proof enough.

Goalies are pure crap shoot. You cannot predict them. Why couldn't scouts predict the season Gillies would have had after his draft year?

Goaltender (and LW) is a position of depth for this team. Let's address to real needs (C, RW, D).

Fucale put up a .909 SV% on by far the best team in the CHL. That is not impressive.

My thoughts exactly! I as well don't get the hype around Fucale projecting as a good goalie.

[JurassicTunga12]

I went to the Calgary Stampede but other than that, I haven't been out there too much. I hear it's an unbelievable city and great organization so I'd be really honored to get drafted there, for sure. We'll see what happens. - Bo Horvat

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...id=DL|CGY|home

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...id=DL|CGY|home

I would love to draft Horvat, but I think he will go in the 9-13 range, not good enough to go @ 6, but too good to be around @ 22

[Hockey_Ninja]

If we walked out of this draft with Monahan/Lindholm and Horvrat then i think we would for once be labeled the winners of the draft.

[AC]

I'd rather be labelled the "winners of the draft" 5-10 years later, as opposed to the day after.