They seemed to have the wingers (sometimes centers as well) playing very high and leaving the zone early. Went for the stretch pass a lot which 9 times out of 10 resulted in a turnover and left themselves open for odd man rushes/defensive zone situations all the time. The defensemen left the zone early a lot as well. Not sure I have seen so many 2 on 1, 3 on 2 and guys left wide open in the defensive zone as I did this year with Flames players standing in the neutral zone waiting for a pass that was never going to come.
As for leeway when guys made dumb plays they rarely seemed to sit for it. Sure certain guys seemed to be whipping boys often for what seemed to be little reason (Jones) but Hudler, Cerevenka, Wideman, Tanguay especially seemed to make silly passes/cutesy plays that result in bad, bad turnovers only to be tossed out there right away.
As for the system we should play I don't think any team should play a system that leaves the goalies and defensemen out to dry but on a team with such little talent, especially on the backend it seemed really crazy to play a style that seemed to naturally have forwards leaving the zone and couple that with lazy forwards (defensively) and weak defensemen.
They seemed to have the wingers (sometimes centers as well) playing very high and leaving the zone early. Went for the stretch pass a lot which 9 times out of 10 resulted in a turnover and left themselves open for odd man rushes/defensive zone situations all the time. The defensemen left the zone early a lot as well. Not sure I have seen so many 2 on 1, 3 on 2 and guys left wide open in the defensive zone as I did this year with Flames players standing in the neutral zone waiting for a pass that was never going to come.
As for leeway when guys made dumb plays they rarely seemed to sit for it. Sure certain guys seemed to be whipping boys often for what seemed to be little reason (Jones) but Hudler, Cerevenka, Wideman, Tanguay especially seemed to make silly passes/cutesy plays that result in bad, bad turnovers only to be tossed out there right away.
As for the system we should play I don't think any team should play a system that leaves the goalies and defensemen out to dry but on a team with such little talent, especially on the backend it seemed really crazy to play a style that seemed to naturally have forwards leaving the zone and couple that with lazy forwards (defensively) and weak defensemen.
I've said it before and I'll say it again in regards to the 2013 Flames. I haven't seen a Flames team that poorly coached since Don Hay/Greg Gilbert. Whatever system Hartley implemented was pure hot garbage and I hope he goes back to the drawing board this summer as this Flames team will finish dead last in an 82 game season playing defense like that.
However guys we should get back on the topic of the draft here as we can start another thread to discuss the coaching or lack thereof.
Yup, no hype around this guy. Hasn't played a shift of hockey since March 17th and he's "gaining steam". I hope the Flames make the right decision and stay clear of players who are hyped up and pick the guy they honestly think has the best potential to be a star player.
Haha, very true....
PS : would still love to see us pick Monohan
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I'm definitely not a fan of those two picks for the Flames and I really do not understand why everyone keeps thinking the Flames are going to go with a goalie in the first round of this draft. Having Kipper (potentially) retire does suck but drafting this kid is a kneejerk reaction that doesn't help the rebuild. We already have two goalies that can be playing in the NHL in the next 3-4 years: Brossoit and Gillis. Not to mention if Ramo / Berra pan out they are both young enough that they would still be in their prime years in 3-4 years from now. Nothing really suggests the Flames want to go after a goalie in this draft (much less in the first round), all it will do is increase the log jam in the position.
If you shift both of the Flames picks down one selection then that would make a lot more sense to me. (Morin @23 and Zykov @ 29)
IMO, "Team Need" definitely suggests that the Flames should use the Blues pick to either land another potential top pairing Dman or an impact RW.
Instead of Fucale at #22, Morin would make more sense. As you say with the McCoshen pick, we need D for the rebuild and it make a lot more sense to stay on the board and grab Morin at 22. Also, you listed him as 6'5" but most sites have him at 6'7" & 200+ pounds now.
Then at #28, we can again avoid going "off the board" and take Zykov for the same reasons you think the Stars would pick him. We need a big gritty RW to offset our smaller LWers.
Monahan, Morin, Zykov (C, D, RW). Perfect! Stay on the board and cater to team need.
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I'm definitely not a fan of those two picks for the Flames and I really do not understand why everyone keeps thinking the Flames are going to go with a goalie in the first round of this draft. Having Kipper (potentially) retire does suck but drafting this kid is a kneejerk reaction that doesn't help the rebuild. We already have two goalies that can be playing in the NHL in the next 3-4 years: Brossoit and Gillis. Not to mention if Ramo / Berra pan out they are both young enough that they would still be in their prime years in 3-4 years from now. Nothing really suggests the Flames want to go after a goalie in this draft (much less in the first round), all it will do is increase the log jam in the position.
If you shift both of the Flames picks down one selection then that would make a lot more sense to me. (Morin @23 and Zykov @ 29)
IMO, "Team Need" definitely suggests that the Flames should use the Blues pick to either land another potential top pairing Dman or an impact RW.
Instead of Fucale at #22, Morin would make more sense. As you say with the McCoshen pick, we need D for the rebuild and it make a lot more sense to stay on the board and grab Morin at 22. Also, you listed him as 6'5" but most sites have him at 6'7" & 200+ pounds now.
Then at #28, we can again avoid going "off the board" and take Zykov for the same reasons you think the Stars would pick him. We need a big gritty RW to offset our smaller LWers.
Monahan, Morin, Zykov (C, D, RW). Perfect! Stay on the board and cater to team need.
I don't want to see the Flames reach with the 22 and get Fucale but if they draft him at 28 I'd be ok with it.
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Under "stupid" you can add the 2-year extension for Jackman last deadline... Anyhow, got my THN mock draft issue today - noticed they had Lidholm going 9th (Nichushkin 5th and Monahan to us)... They had us taking Pullock and Hartman with the later picks.
I don't want to see the Flames reach with the 22 and get Fucale but if they draft him at 28 I'd be ok with it.
I don't see Fucale at 22 as being a reach. Some drafts have him ranked top 10, some have him in the teens. If he goes at 22 it would probably be considered a drop in where he should have gone.
Regardless, I just do not think that the Flames need a goalie in this draft, at all. We definitely do not need a goalie in the first round with all of the other talent in the first two rounds. We are having a lot of success drafting goalies in the later rounds, there is no point in deviating from that now.
The Flames first round selections should be dedicated to drafting skaters that can make it to the NHL in the next 1-3 years as a part of the rebuild. No projects, no off-the-board picks, no goalies.
I'm definitely not a fan of those two picks for the Flames and I really do not understand why everyone keeps thinking the Flames are going to go with a goalie in the first round of this draft. Having Kipper (potentially) retire does suck but drafting this kid is a kneejerk reaction that doesn't help the rebuild. We already have two goalies that can be playing in the NHL in the next 3-4 years: Brossoit and Gillis. Not to mention if Ramo / Berra pan out they are both young enough that they would still be in their prime years in 3-4 years from now. Nothing really suggests the Flames want to go after a goalie in this draft (much less in the first round), all it will do is increase the log jam in the position.
If you shift both of the Flames picks down one selection then that would make a lot more sense to me. (Morin @23 and Zykov @ 29)
IMO, "Team Need" definitely suggests that the Flames should use the Blues pick to either land another potential top pairing Dman or an impact RW.
Instead of Fucale at #22, Morin would make more sense. As you say with the McCoshen pick, we need D for the rebuild and it make a lot more sense to stay on the board and grab Morin at 22. Also, you listed him as 6'5" but most sites have him at 6'7" & 200+ pounds now.
Then at #28, we can again avoid going "off the board" and take Zykov for the same reasons you think the Stars would pick him. We need a big gritty RW to offset our smaller LWers.
Monahan, Morin, Zykov (C, D, RW). Perfect! Stay on the board and cater to team need.
Very possible it could go that way... I challenge anyone to find a mock that is perfect.
As for Morin I can state that came in at 6'6.25" at the combine.
Fucale at 22 is bad for us. Too many other needs we can fill in that area.
It would be like a football team that dearly needs help on the OL, DL, and secondary drafting a wide receiver in the first round when they are already deep with prospects at that position. Unless you think he's the next Jerry Rice he isn't going to help your team win as long as you continue to lose the battles in the trenches. I've read the scouting reports on this kid and I haven't seen any that mention him as being the next great goaltender. Pass.
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#Flames GM Jay Feaster talks draft tomorrow at noon. It should be like talking to a kid before Christmas. Or maybe that's Conroy.
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