Flames Equipment Sale - 2013

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Dion

Posts like this make me howl in laughter. It must be so amusing for you to look down on people from your high horse. Let me know when you need more oxygen tanks. Your condesending attitude does little to further the debate.

He stood in line for many hours only to see people ahead of him letting their friends in line. That to me isn't right and I also think he has a valid point with hoarders and maybe should direct his commemts to the Flames who run this event. If it's okay for certain people to hoard and tell others say they can't sounds hypocritical. How about one standard for everyone.

You can howl all you want. The premise of people holding a spot in line for their friends is not new and happens all of the time.

I agree that there should not be double standards when it comes to the policing of hoarders, and it sounds unlikely that this is what really happened. In one breath he was complaining that there was no governance and in the next breath he is complaining that he was restricted. Which way do you want it. In all likelihood there was room for improvement in how it was managed, but to pine for restrictions to be in place and then complain when the staff tried to impose them, seems to be hypocritical in itself.

[flamesfan55]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I have had 20 pairs of gloves at different times ... Did I need them? No, but did I want them? HELL YEAH I DID.. and I used almost all of them. I mean who needs this many gloves .. and this isnt even all of them? The answer is nobody but I like them so I don't see what the big deal is.



Also the guys at the front of the line are collectors as well as people who buy stuff to use. I mean some guys like to try to play every golf course in Calgary one summer or they want to try to go to every NHL arena and watch a game... well these guys want to own stuff from all the players who play for the Flames. I'm not sure why its a big deal ?

Those pink eagles are filthy.



I know what your saying, I don't really care to be honest. I got a helmet and gloves and was happy. Just saying I can see where the frustration from other people comes in when they see some with 20 pairs of mitts and they got stuck with a squat.

It's actually a very poorly ran event anyways. People at the back where eatting in ahead of others cause they had a wrist band. Nice haul though.

[Rhettzky]

I have no issue. I was 27th in line and had my pick and ultimately got exactly what I went to get. The guys that go super early grab the collector stuff. I just want equipment that has little wear and who wore it doesn't mean anything to me.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Chingas

You can howl all you want. The premise of people holding a spot in line for their friends is not new and happens all of the time.

Doesn't make it right either. I gave said person an avenue to voice his beefs with the event and all you did was mock and chide him.

I agree that there should not be double standards when it comes to the policing of hoarders, and it sounds unlikely that this is what really happened. In one breath he was complaining that there was no governance and in the next breath he is complaining that he was restricted. Which way do you want it. In all likelihood there was room for improvement in how it was managed, but to pine for restrictions to be in place and then complain when the staff tried to impose them, seems to be hypocritical in itself.

Not going to speak for the OP until he posts a clarification on what you have said.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by flamesfan55

Those pink eagles are filthy.



I know what your saying, I don't really care to be honest. I got a helmet and gloves and was happy. Just saying I can see where the frustration from other people comes in when they see some with 20 pairs of mitts and they got stuck with a squat.

It's actually a very poorly ran event anyways. People at the back where eatting in ahead of others cause they had a wrist band. Nice haul though.

I'm still not sure how people got squat... they tweeted out with an hour left that there was still a ton of helmets, sticks, and gloves left. Obviously I wasn't there so I don't know but I asked my buddy if he left anyone cut in line and he said his brother came and went. He brought them food and slept in the car but other than that he didnt let anyone jump up in line.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Chingas

You can howl all you want. The premise of people holding a spot in line for their friends is not new and happens all of the time.

I agree that there should not be double standards when it comes to the policing of hoarders, and it sounds unlikely that this is what really happened. In one breath he was complaining that there was no governance and in the next breath he is complaining that he was restricted. Which way do you want it. In all likelihood there was room for improvement in how it was managed, but to pine for restrictions to be in place and then complain when the staff tried to impose them, seems to be hypocritical in itself.

At something like that it's simply not acceptable. You can't argue that you/they deserve to get what they want because they got there first when the reality is they didn't.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by meanmachine13

It is just frustrating that I show up the day before a sale to camp out, when I show up I am 7th in line, the next morning I am bumped back to 15th when they actually hand out the wrist bands.

I think this is a legit beef and worth taking it up with the Fan Attic people running the sale:

Dee Johanson - Retail Operations Manager
Brent Gibbs - Director, Retail/FanAttic

Hopefully you were still able to pick up some good finds -- not sure if it justifies camping out the night before but I guess that's an individual choice/decision.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I think this is a legit beef and worth taking it up with the Fan Attic people running the sale:

Dee Johanson - Retail Operations Manager
Brent Gibbs - Director, Retail/FanAttic

Hopefully you were still able to pick up some good finds -- not sure if it justifies camping out the night before but I guess that's an individual choice/decision.

I agree.... Being 7th and being mad because the first 5 bought a ton of stuff is not a legit beef. Being 7 and being knocked back to 15 because a lot of people jumped in line after the fact is bogus. If they hand out wrist bands anyway they should hand them out as soon as people get there. Put a # on the wrist bands and then no one can cut. Sure its a bit extra work but it's not much.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Simple solution. Impose a limit on merch, equivalent to a ticket limit, say 3-5 items, during say the first hour or two. Early bird gets the worm but others get their chances.

Why would the Flames do this? They put on the equipment sale to make money, that's the only reason. If they didn't want to make money they would just donate it to young adult teams ( 15-18 yr old). Why would they limit the guys who spend thousands because they guys who spend hundreds are upset? I can see both sides but isnt this a lot like boxing day sales? if you get there first you get everything you want and if you dont well you might not get so lucky. Also you guys can gripe, send emails, and could potentially ruin it for everyone. There are companies out there ( see prostockhockeygear.com) who buy team's stuff in bulk and sell it for almost double what they pay. Im sure if that options becomes less of a headache for the Flames they could go to that and we , the fans, could get nothing.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Why would the Flames do this? They put on the equipment sale to make money, that's the only reason. If they didn't want to make money they would just donate it to young adult teams ( 15-18 yr old). Why would they limit the guys who spend thousands because they guys who spend hundreds are upset? I can see both sides but isnt this a lot like boxing day sales? if you get there first you get everything you want and if you dont well you might not get so lucky. Also you guys can gripe, send emails, and could potentially ruin it for everyone. There are companies out there ( see prostockhockeygear.com) who buy team's stuff in bulk and sell it for almost double what they pay. Im sure if that options becomes less of a headache for the Flames they could go to that and we , the fans, could get nothing.

Well it would still get sold, either to the people behind them or to those same people after they went to the back of the line and came through for a second pass.

[brett532]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well it would still get sold, either to the people behind them or to those same people after they went to the back of the line and came through for a second pass.

I doubt that, When I left at 10am that was at least 4-5 pairs of brand new retro gloves plus about 25 pairs of balck gloves, 50+ sticks, a ton of helmets and about 10-15 people left inside. If everyone was limited to buying a certain amount then there would be 10x the amount of stuff left over.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by brett532

I doubt that, When I left at 10am that was at least 4-5 pairs of brand new retro gloves plus about 25 pairs of balck gloves, 50+ sticks, a ton of helmets and about 10-15 people left inside. If everyone was limited to buying a certain amount then there would be 10x the amount of stuff left over.

I think you're misunderstanding. The issue is the first group of people buying up all of the most desirable stuff for the express purpose of reselling at a markup. If those people were limited the next wave would almost certainly pick up those goods, and so on. There may be more of the less desirable stuff left at the end, but then it comes down to whether the point of this sale is for the Flames to suck every cent they can out of fans or to provide an opportunity for fans to get some cool gear. I was under the impression that the general idea was more towards the latter, but perhaps that has changed.

[brett532]

well I was and have been one of the first people in line for the last five years, every year myself, my dad and bro drop $4000+ on stuff, and the only things Ive resold are things that people have offered to buy off of me. We use and collect almost everything we buy.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by valo403

I think you're misunderstanding. The issue is the first group of people buying up all of the most desirable stuff for the express purpose of reselling at a markup. If those people were limited the next wave would almost certainly pick up those goods, and so on. There may be more of the less desirable stuff left at the end, but then it comes down to whether the point of this sale is for the Flames to suck every cent they can out of fans or to provide an opportunity for fans to get some cool gear. I was under the impression that the general idea was more towards the latter, but perhaps that has changed.

Out of curiosity have you seen any of the stuff for resale from the group at the front of the line? I can tell you for a fact that none of that stuff from the 1st group of people has been listed for sale? I know this because the pic I posted is from them. When I posted it people started to ask me so I asked him if he could sell anything. He said I would let go of these things if I had to. Which I then told guys who messaged me that these would be for sale if they wanted them. These guys buy stuff for their personal use and their own collection for the most part. I don't see a problem with what they do and I plan to be at the front of the line next year buying just as much as they do. Do they buy stuff for friends who can't make it? Yeah I'm sure they do but who wouldnt do that for their friends?

As far as the money concerned, go back and look at prices from 3 or 4 years ago and Im sure you will see the trend is to make considerable more money from the equipment sales.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Out of curiosity have you seen any of the stuff for resale from the group at the front of the line? I can tell you for a fact that none of that stuff from the 1st group of people has been listed for sale? I know this because the pic I posted is from them. When I posted it people started to ask me so I asked him if he could sell anything. He said I would let go of these things if I had to. Which I then told guys who messaged me that these would be for sale if they wanted them. These guys buy stuff for their personal use and their own collection for the most part. I don't see a problem with what they do and I plan to be at the front of the line next year buying just as much as they do. Do they buy stuff for friends who can't make it? Yeah I'm sure they do but who wouldnt do that for their friends?

As far as the money concerned, go back and look at prices from 3 or 4 years ago and Im sure you will see the trend is to make considerable more money from the equipment sales.

I haven't, but then again i haven't spent my day trolling through every sale site.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by valo403

I haven't, but then again i haven't spent my day trolling through every sale site.

Yeah it was just a broad accusation ( or should I stay statement) so I was curious if you had seen stuff for sale that was listed for a lot more than what it sold for at the sale. I have and also buy/sell a lot of gear. I know a lot of people who go to the sales and I think the general sentiment of the people who didn't get what the want is the same. It's easy to say "well those jerks at the front of the line are wrong because they go in and buy everything with the sole purpose of making a lot of money". Maybe that happens at a lot of sales, actually I am sure it does, but I know that is not the case in this situation.

[meanmachine13]

Originally Posted by Chingas

You can howl all you want. The premise of people holding a spot in line for their friends is not new and happens all of the time.

I agree that there should not be double standards when it comes to the policing of hoarders, and it sounds unlikely that this is what really happened. In one breath he was complaining that there was no governance and in the next breath he is complaining that he was restricted. Which way do you want it. In all likelihood there was room for improvement in how it was managed, but to pine for restrictions to be in place and then complain when the staff tried to impose them, seems to be hypocritical in itself.

I wasnt bring hypocritical. I dont think what I did was considered hoarding. I had 3 pairs of gloves with the intent to buy 2. I had to get the person I went with to try on 2 pairs to see which one he preferred. Then I put the pair back that he didnt want.

That is much different then going in and having a corner full of stuff.

You guys arent understanding where my beef is. I dont care that the first group bough a ton of stuff. Good for them. I have beef with people cutting in line and people buying things with the intent to upsell it online.

As well, yes there may have been stuff left over at the end of the sale, but as many of us know... that stuff doesnt necessarily mean its good stuff/stuff that fits/stuff that I would use or collect/etc.


And nickerjones, there WAS people that budged in line. I dont know who your friend was but this is how the line up went:

When I arrived at 3:30pm.
2 older men, 2 younger men (all seem to be together), and 2 asian guys (who seem to be together). That put 6 people ahead of me in line. Making me #7.

Later on, an asian guy joined the group of asians and he stayed with them for the rest of the event. Way later in the evening, a younger guy joined the first group of 4 and stayed for the event.

However the next morning, all of a sudden there were more people with the first group of 4/5. People I had not seen AT ALL the day before. This I have an issue with.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Why would the Flames do this? They put on the equipment sale to make money, that's the only reason. If they didn't want to make money they would just donate it to young adult teams ( 15-18 yr old). Why would they limit the guys who spend thousands because they guys who spend hundreds are upset? I can see both sides but isnt this a lot like boxing day sales? if you get there first you get everything you want and if you dont well you might not get so lucky. Also you guys can gripe, send emails, and could potentially ruin it for everyone. There are companies out there ( see prostockhockeygear.com) who buy team's stuff in bulk and sell it for almost double what they pay. Im sure if that options becomes less of a headache for the Flames they could go to that and we , the fans, could get nothing.

As valo said, the idea is that the people that get there first can get a few plum items, then once the first wave is done, say an hour or two, then they can at that point go back for all they want. The good stuff will get sold either way, this was an idea to help spread the wealth and reward more people.

[meanmachine13]

At the Vancouver sale, they bring out gear in waves it seems. It seems to work well.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by meanmachine13

And nickerjones, there WAS people that budged in line. I dont know who your friend was but this is how the line up went:

When I arrived at 3:30pm.
2 older men, 2 younger men (all seem to be together), and 2 asian guys (who seem to be together). That put 6 people ahead of me in line. Making me #7.Later on, an asian guy joined the group of asians and he stayed with them for the rest of the event. Way later in the evening, a younger guy joined the first group of 4 and stayed for the event.

However the next morning, all of a sudden there were more people with the first group of 4/5. People I had not seen AT ALL the day before. This I have an issue with.

My friend was the the 1st in line. The young guy who "came later" started in line with them but wasn't feeling well so went to sleep in the car. It was my friend's brother. I am not sure about the other peeps.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

As valo said, the idea is that the people that get there first can get a few plum items, then once the first wave is done, say an hour or two, then they can at that point go back for all they want. The good stuff will get sold either way, this was an idea to help spread the wealth and reward more people.

That wouldnt work, people would find a way to gripe about it. Plus spread the wealth and reward more people? Doesnt sound very capitalistic to me.

[brett532]

you'd also have to look at it from the flames point of view, they're there the make back as much money as possible as they have to buy all of the gear the players use, if they have some one like me willing to drop thousands of dollars there, I seem pretty stupid to say to them sorry you can only buy x amount of items and then you have to get back in line.