05-31-2013, 09:41 AM
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#4781
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by cowtown75
I wouldn't do it. Too much talent at the top end this year and we need quality vs quantity. Plus as it sits, Burmistrov could probably be had at a low price, I wouldn't be involving draft picks or trading down the talent pool to get him.
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More likely that Wpg will package Burmistrov and their pick to Nash for #4. Only thing is will Nash take Burmistrov given their experience with Radulov. Other than that, seems a fair deal for both teams.
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05-31-2013, 09:47 AM
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#4782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shutout
Now I know that Feaster has said that they are not going to trade the #6 pick down. But would you swap picks with the Jets?
Trade #6 to Winnipeg
For #13, #43, and Alexander Burmistrov
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No thanks.
Flames need quality over quantity.
This team has struggled because of a lack of elite level talent and it is unlikely you get an elite level talent with the Winnipeg package.
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05-31-2013, 09:52 AM
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#4783
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shutout
Now I know that Feaster has said that they are not going to trade the #6 pick down. But would you swap picks with the Jets?
Trade #6 to Winnipeg
For #13, #43, and Alexander Burmistrov
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No for me as well. There is a step down in talent from the "top 3/5" and there is another significant drop in talent when you get outside of the top 10. With how much overpayment people seem to be willing to pay just to jump up 2 spots in the draft, dropping 7 spots would be a horrible decision.
At this point, I would only be willing to give up our #6 pick is if it is in a package that lands us MacKinnon. I am not convinced that Barkov is worth #6 + another first round pick but MacKinnon is.
If we can make a deals in this draft I would rather be draft pick buyers over sellers. I wouldn't mind the Flames trying to be creative with the new rules either. If there is a team out there that wants to give the Flames a 1st + a bad contract to buy out.
Perhaps the Flames can target the Flyers? We could make a trade such as:
To Calgary:
Flyers 1st rounder 2013
Flyers 1st rounder 2014
Chris Pronger's cap hit
To Philadelphia:
Flames 7th rounder
I'm still trying to figure out how much cap value is worth but eating $5M per year for 4 years ($20M in cap hit) should be pretty expensive. If the Flyers can get that cap hit relief then they won't have to lose a significant asset while their team is in the sweet spot for having both veterans under contract and young talent on entry level contracts.
Also, if the Flames buyout Pronger then the Flyers would have the option to sign him again for league minimum if he recovers his health.
Then again, Pronger's contract might not be hurting the Flyers as long as he stays on the Injury Reserve. As long as he is on the IR, the insurance pays his salary and his cap hit doesn't count.
Anyway, the point of the example is that the Flames have cap space and two compliance buyouts available to trade for draft picks. I would rather we use them than our other assets, if possible.
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05-31-2013, 10:00 AM
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#4784
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Pronger will be on LITR until the end of his contract so can't see them having any desire to get rid of it.
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05-31-2013, 10:01 AM
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#4785
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moon
Pronger will be on LITR until the end of his contract so can't see them having any desire to get rid of it.
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Doesn't his cap hit still count since he's 35+?
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05-31-2013, 10:03 AM
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#4786
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
No for me as well. There is a step down in talent from the "top 3/5" and there is another significant drop in talent when you get outside of the top 10. With how much overpayment people seem to be willing to pay just to jump up 2 spots in the draft, dropping 7 spots would be a horrible decision.
At this point, I would only be willing to give up our #6 pick is if it is in a package that lands us MacKinnon. I am not convinced that Barkov is worth #6 + another first round pick but MacKinnon is.
If we can make a deals in this draft I would rather be draft pick buyers over sellers. I wouldn't mind the Flames trying to be creative with the new rules either. If there is a team out there that wants to give the Flames a 1st + a bad contract to buy out.
Perhaps the Flames can target the Flyers? We could make a trade such as:
To Calgary:
Flyers 1st rounder 2013
Flyers 1st rounder 2014
Chris Pronger's cap hit
To Philadelphia:
Flames 7th rounder
I'm still trying to figure out how much cap value is worth but eating $5M per year for 4 years ($20M in cap hit) should be pretty expensive. If the Flyers can get that cap hit relief then they won't have to lose a significant asset while their team is in the sweet spot for having both veterans under contract and young talent on entry level contracts.
Also, if the Flames buyout Pronger then the Flyers would have the option to sign him again for league minimum if he recovers his health.
Then again, Pronger's contract might not be hurting the Flyers as long as he stays on the Injury Reserve. As long as he is on the IR, the insurance pays his salary and his cap hit doesn't count.
Anyway, the point of the example is that the Flames have cap space and two compliance buyouts available to trade for draft picks. I would rather we use them than our other assets, if possible.
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The Flyers aren't going to trade two 1st round picks to simply save money. The Flyers are not a financially strapped team - and yes, while Pronger may count against "tagging" in the cap every off-season, once the season begins and he goes on LTIR, it doesn't matter. You can spend 10% over the cap every summer, which effectively erases the tagging problem as well.
Also, you can't buyout an injured player.
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05-31-2013, 10:04 AM
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#4787
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdubz
Doesn't his cap hit still count since he's 35+?
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No. The 35+ contract just mean that if he were to retire, it would still count against their cap.
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05-31-2013, 10:04 AM
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#4788
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Beautiful Vancouver Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T@T
Did he elaborate why or did he just say it for edmonton radio knowing the flames will probably take him.
I fail to see why all these "experts" are dropping a consensual top 3 pick one year ago anywhere from 4-7 spots because he played on a brutal team.
78 points in 58 games and lead his team by 38 points in scoring doesn't scream of a player regressing to me.
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I guess you'll have to check they're online guide, I doubt they change their evaluations based upon the media market they talk to at any given time. You can hear that interview on the Oilers Now podcast.
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05-31-2013, 10:08 AM
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#4789
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First Line Centre
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I wonder if the Flames could put something together to get Seguin out of Boston - there have been some rumblings that he is not delivering to the level they are expecting.
Would something like Cammalari + Gaudreau + St Louis 1st be enough?
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05-31-2013, 10:08 AM
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#4790
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Location: Airdrie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
More likely that Wpg will package Burmistrov and their pick to Nash for #4. Only thing is will Nash take Burmistrov given their experience with Radulov. Other than that, seems a fair deal for both teams.
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I think it would take a lot for than that to get Nash's #4. Burmistrov's stock is very low and wants out of the Peg anyways- he is just as much of a gamle as Winnipeg's mid and later round draft. Makes no sense for Nashville and they will have more of a shot with sure fire talent at # 4 pick. Also, let's not forget that Burmistrov is a RFA this coming year which lowers his stock even more.
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05-31-2013, 10:11 AM
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#4791
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ah123
I wonder if the Flames could put something together to get Seguin out of Boston - there have been some rumblings that he is not delivering to the level they are expecting.
Would something like Cammalari + Gaudreau + St Louis 1st be enough?
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I think it'd have to be the #6 pick... And maybe a later round pick comes back to CGY
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05-31-2013, 10:14 AM
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#4792
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ah123
I wonder if the Flames could put something together to get Seguin out of Boston - there have been some rumblings that he is not delivering to the level they are expecting.
Would something like Cammalari + Gaudreau + St Louis 1st be enough?
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Not sure why there would be rumblings, he led their team in points last year in his second year and was 5 points away from doing it again in a shortened season. He hasn't had a great playoff performance points wise to date, but I think he is part of their long term plans and don't expect Boston wanting to move him anytime soon.
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05-31-2013, 10:14 AM
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#4793
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ah123
I wonder if the Flames could put something together to get Seguin out of Boston - there have been some rumblings that he is not delivering to the level they are expecting.
Would something like Cammalari + Gaudreau + St Louis 1st be enough?
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I think that does it actually.
Boston seems to be very high on Gaudreau.
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05-31-2013, 10:15 AM
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#4794
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ah123
I wonder if the Flames could put something together to get Seguin out of Boston - there have been some rumblings that he is not delivering to the level they are expecting.
Would something like Cammalari + Gaudreau + St Louis 1st be enough?
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I can't see them moving him without the 6th pick ++.
Way too much potential to give up for two likely non-NHLers and one year of an overpaid Cammalieri.
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05-31-2013, 10:19 AM
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#4795
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
To AVS:
1st rounder (STL pick) + Tanguay
To Flames:
Stastny
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How about a block buster
To Avs:
Three 1sts, Tanguay + Brodie + any goalie prospect not named Gillies
To Flames:
First overall, Stastny + Hejda(bad contract)
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05-31-2013, 10:24 AM
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#4796
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moon
I can't see them moving him without the 6th pick ++.
Way too much potential to give up for two likely non-NHLers and one year of an overpaid Cammalieri.
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Yeah, the guy was drafted 2nd overall, and at only 21 years old he has 99 points in his last 121 NHL games. He isn't even close to being a bust. I couldn't see them trading him straight-up for the 2nd overall pick. The sixth pick + Gaudreau still isn't enough - Gaudreau is not close to being a blue-chip prospect.
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05-31-2013, 10:25 AM
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#4797
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T@T
How about a block buster
To Avs:
Three 1sts, Tanguay + Brodie + any goalie prospect not named Gillies
To Flames:
First overall, Stastny + Hejda(bad contract)
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Ouch. If Stastny did not re-sign that would be 3 1st's, Brodie and Brouissant for McKinnon. No thank you.
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05-31-2013, 11:11 AM
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#4798
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moon
Pronger will be on LITR until the end of his contract so can't see them having any desire to get rid of it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdubz
Doesn't his cap hit still count since he's 35+?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
The Flyers aren't going to trade two 1st round picks to simply save money. The Flyers are not a financially strapped team - and yes, while Pronger may count against "tagging" in the cap every off-season, once the season begins and he goes on LTIR, it doesn't matter. You can spend 10% over the cap every summer, which effectively erases the tagging problem as well.
Also, you can't buyout an injured player.
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Right... the point of the example was that the Flames should be looking to use our cap space / real $$ / compliance buyouts to make trades with teams that are in tight salary cap situations.
If not the Flyers then maybe you look at the Blackhawks, who only have $2m in cap space for next season and need to re-sign 5 RFAs and a backup goalie. Or maybe you talk to Tampa Bay, who have $3.3M in cap space and only 17 players signed. There are a number of other teams with slightly more cap space but also with only 15-17 players signed for next season that may be looking for some help out of their cap jail and willing to give up draft picks for it.
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05-31-2013, 11:20 AM
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#4799
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
No. The 35+ contract just mean that if he were to retire, it would still count against their cap.
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Yup, Pronger is already retired, essentially. They just haven't put pen to paper because it would cost them a bunch of cap space. Basically, he's doing them a favour.
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05-31-2013, 11:28 AM
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#4800
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Ouch. If Stastny did not re-sign that would be 3 1st's, Brodie and Brouissant for McKinnon. No thank you.
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If he doesn't you flip him at the deadline for a 1st.
McKinnon = Tavares and possibly even better due to his speed and power.
Would you trade the 6th, 22nd, 30th, Tanguay,Brodie and Brouissant
for
Tavares,2014 1st and Hejda
I would in a minute
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