Fatal Cleaver Attack on soldier in London Caught on Camera NSFW

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by _Q_

^^ Yeah and the unfortunate thing is, one of the most radical Islamic countries is a US ally and has seemingly endless amounts of money to fund radicalism (Saudi Arabia).

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are very similar in that aspect.

Where the split is, is that Pakistan's intelligence organization is basically at war with its own government.

[YYC in LAX]

Don't really want to talk opinions in this thread, but some of the comments made me curious so I looked for some statistics. I'm aware this incident took place in England, but here's some stats regarding terrorist attacks in the US based on FBI reports.

Here is the source: Click

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data:

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

what?

Last time I checked Canada was with us in the middle east and there was just a thread about the last tour.

Americans don't do anything we're #######s, we do something we're #######s.

We're damned if we do and damned if we dont

or Terrorists in your mind

Reading comprehension.... not so much.

I never expressed that as my personal opinion. However, in many Countries in the world, the US is viewed as a terrorist state. That is a fact. Whether it is true or not is highly subject to debate based on what your religious and political beliefs are.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Those ones would have found a way into jail with whatever anti-establishment group du jour they could find.

Yes, many of these "terrorists" are young males who are looking for *any* kind of cause. Radical Islam is attractive to them because it promises and delivers direct action, where you are part of an exclusive group that not only doesn't stigmatize your aggressive impulses but positively encourages them.

There is nothing so dangerous and subversive as dissatisfied young men looking for meaning.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are very similar in that aspect.

Where the split is, is that Pakistan's intelligence organization is basically at war with its own government.

Sure, I can see Pakistan maybe perpetuating radicalism in central Asia, although I don't have first hand knowledge of this myself.

I do know, however, whenever I visit a historically more moderate Arab country like Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc... I get the locals telling me "look at what these f###ing Saudis have done to my country". Every time I go to those places, I see more prevalence of Saudi Wahabism, particularly in the rural areas, which I absolutely despise.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Don't really want to talk opinions in this thread, but some of the comments made me curious so I looked for some statistics. I'm aware this incident took place in England, but here's some stats regarding terrorist attacks in the US based on FBI reports.

Here is the source: Click

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data:

I havn't poked around much on that site, but I did find this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/behind-...al-war/5336100

While ostensibly touring the Middle East to discuss a joint US-Russian proposal for peace talks between the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad and Western-backed “rebels,” Secretary of State John Kerry met with US allies to prepare for region-wide war.

and

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mission...-syria/5336093

I wonder how unbiased that site is?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Don't really want to talk opinions in this thread, but some of the comments made me curious so I looked for some statistics. I'm aware this incident took place in England, but here's some stats regarding terrorist attacks in the US based on FBI reports.

Here is the source: Click

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.
Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data:

LOL that is very funny.

[troutman]

What is an Extreme Left Wing Group? Greenpeace? PETA?

[Inglewood Jack]

The Latinos shall not rest until they get their vengeance

[valo403]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I havn't poked around much on that site, but I did find this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/behind-...al-war/5336100



and

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mission...-syria/5336093

I wonder how unbiased that site is?

The figures, and the chart, are from a Princeton University study using FBI data. The leanings of that particular site are irrelevant.

[jammies]

How does Latino fit in with those other designations on that chart? What if I was a Latino Jew, do I get counted twice?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

What is an Extreme Left Wing Group? Greenpeace? PETA?

Based on the FBI list used it appears to be largely the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front

[valo403]

Originally Posted by jammies

How does Latino fit in with those other designations on that chart? What if I was a Latino Jew, do I get counted twice?

It appears the Latino data is a result of the inclusion of Puerto Rico. A number of acts attributed to the "Organization of Volunteers for the Puerto Rican Revolution" in the early to mid 80's, with other groups taking on the role into the 90's. It pretty much dies off in 91, with a single incident in 98.

[FlamesAddiction]

You can make that data say a lot of different things depending on how you decide to sort it. You could just as easily say that 90% is by American or Christian, or whatver. Why have "left-wing" or "communist" as a cause, and then an ethnic category like "Latino" and religious groups like "Jews" and "Muslims"?

It seems very inconsistent.

[Boblobla]

It also weights an attempted bombing as 1 event and Sept. 11th as 1 event.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You can make that data say a lot of different things depending on how you decide to sort it. You could just as easily say that 90% is by American or Christian, or whatver. Why have "left-wing" or "communist" as a cause, and then an ethnic category like "Latino" and religious groups like "Jews" and "Muslims"?

It seems very inconsistent.

Not really. The Latino label is a bit misleading as it's really contained to Puerto Rico, but otherwise the groups appear to be acting in pursuit of a cause that can be tied to the labels. Left wing is a pretty apt description for the Earth Liberation Front. Communist seems like a good label for the Communist Workers Party. Jewish extremist seems to sum up the Jewish Defense League.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

It also weights an attempted bombing as 1 event and Sept. 11th as 1 event.

How should it be weighted? September 11th could probably be labeled as 3 events, but you can't exactly start calling an attempted bombing .1 of an event because it didn't work.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by valo403

How should it be weighted? .

By severity? It's like a chart showing all crimes that equates shoplifting to murder. Sure, it might show you something, but the usefulness of that something is pretty poor.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jammies

By severity? It's like a chart showing all crimes that equates shoplifting to murder. Sure, it might show you something, but the usefulness of that something is pretty poor.

Like deaths/injuries arising and/or $ value of property damage?

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by jammies

By severity? It's like a chart showing all crimes that equates shoplifting to murder. Sure, it might show you something, but the usefulness of that something is pretty poor.

Yeah, I just more or less wanted to see how accurate Scottish Flame's comment was that not all Muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorists are Muslims, lol.