Pedobear defects to Iran

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well, looking at wikipedia, Iran has a population of about 77.5 million people. Assuming thats accurate and the 850,000 'child bride figure' is factual, this works out to about 1% of the Iranian population.

So, a fairly insignificant outlier. I find it odd that any government would find it sensible to make policy that applies to such an insignificant number of people.

1% too many

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What's it like living in a world so black and white?

Umm I believe the original contraversial post was only pointing out those who support this move.

If you support marriage for 9 year old girls, your well deserved extermination off of this planet (unless you are a preteen) is a pretty black and white issue to me.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Man the amount of Islam hate in here is astounding.

I assume most of you would be surprised at how normal most Muslims are.

I don't think many here advocate from eliminating Muslim culture in general, just those fundamentalist ones that advocate crimes against humanity

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well, looking at wikipedia, Iran has a population of about 77.5 million people. Assuming thats accurate and the 850,000 'child bride figure' is factual, this works out to about 1% of the Iranian population.

So, a fairly insignificant outlier. I find it odd that any government would find it sensible to make policy that applies to such an insignificant number of people.

That's also assuming that all 850K child brides are to be married off to some creepy 45 year old.

I assume most of them are being married off to their 13 year old cousin or something like that. Still weird, but not as creepy.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

Umm I believe the original contraversial post was only pointing out those who support this move.

If you support marriage for 9 year old girls, your well deserved extermination off of this planet (unless you are a preteen) is a pretty black and white issue to me.

So is it a cultural issue or a person by person issue? You're aiming at two different targets, but calling for the extermination (lol Godwin) of both.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

That's also assuming that all 850K child brides are to be married off to some creepy 45 year old.

I assume most of them are being married off to their 13 year old cousin or something like that. Still weird, but not as creepy.

Sorry, I think that marrying off you 9 yr to their 13 yr old cousin is creepy, maybe that's just me.


I can't find any way that this practice could be justified.

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So is it a cultural issue or a person by person issue? You're aiming at two different targets, but calling for the extermination (lol Godwin) of both.

I'm calling for the extermination of a group of individuals who want to have sexual control over a 9 year old...

Call me crazy.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

I'm calling for the extermination of a group of individuals who want to have sexual control over a 9 year old...

Call me crazy.

So how would you determine who these people are, facilitate their destruction, and prevent their ideals from spreading?

[Street Pharmacist]

Just so I understand this correctly, advocating genocide< advocating pedophilia?

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

So how would you determine who these people are, facilitate their destruction, and prevent their ideals from spreading?

I don't know, but if someone finds a way, I support it.

But keep trying to rope me into saying something about islam as a whole

Ridiculous.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Just so I understand this correctly, advocating genocide< advocating pedophilia?

Im advocating the genocide of systematic pedophilia. Sue me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

1% too many

I understand that, but I'm just saying that this is demonstrating the influence that a very small minority is bearing.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

Im advocating the genocide of systematic pedophilia. Sue me.

So who wore it better, Michael Jordan, or Charlie Chaplin?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry, I think that marrying off you 9 yr to their 13 yr old cousin is creepy, maybe that's just me.


I can't find any way that this practice could be justified.

Yes, it's creepy, but not as bad as you would think.

I knew a guy in Qatar when I was 12 years old. He was "married" to some girl a few years younger than him that was a family friend(maybe she was 10 or 9 years old... who knows). They weren't however allowed to really be alone together until they both were living together, so when he was old enough to get a real job and support a family. So I assumed that was until he was in his 20s and she was in at least her late teens (18/19).

It's essentially a legal arranged marriage. Their parents are basically holding on to the right to marry their kids off to each other before the children become adults.

Is it contrary to Western beliefs and values? Yes. Is it "weird"? Yes. Is it paedophilia? I don't think so.

Again, I assume some of those 850,000 girls are being married off to 45 year old dudes, but I have a feeling a good amount of them are in the same situation as my friend in Qatar.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yes, it's creepy, but not as bad as you would think.

I knew a guy in Qatar when I was 12 years old. He was "married" to some girl a few years younger than him that was a family friend(maybe she was 10 or 9 years old... who knows). They weren't however allowed to really be alone together until they both were living together, so when he was old enough to get a real job and support a family. So I assumed that was until he was in his 20s and she was in at least her late teens (18/19).

It's essentially a legal arranged marriage. Their parents are basically holding on to the right to marry their kids off to each other before the children become adults.

Is it contrary to Western beliefs and values? Yes. Is it "weird"? Yes. Is it paedophilia? I don't think so.

Again, I assume some of those 850,000 girls are being married off to 45 year old dudes, but I have a feeling a good amount of them are in the same situation as my friend in Qatar.

Did you mean cousin when you typed cousin in your other post?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Did you mean cousin when you typed cousin in your other post?

First cousin, second cousin, family friend.... most jurisdictions in the world (including Canada) don't differentiate, ie: it's legal to marry your cousin in most places, including Canada. I find cousin marriage gross, but that's another issue altogether and outside the scope of this argument.

In my friend's case, no she wasn't a cousin.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yes, it's creepy, but not as bad as you would think.

I knew a guy in Qatar when I was 12 years old. He was "married" to some girl a few years younger than him that was a family friend(maybe she was 10 or 9 years old... who knows). They weren't however allowed to really be alone together until they both were living together, so when he was old enough to get a real job and support a family. So I assumed that was until he was in his 20s and she was in at least her late teens (18/19).

It's essentially a legal arranged marriage. Their parents are basically holding on to the right to marry their kids off to each other before the children become adults.

Is it contrary to Western beliefs and values? Yes. Is it "weird"? Yes. Is it paedophilia? I don't think so.

Again, I assume some of those 850,000 girls are being married off to 45 year old dudes, but I have a feeling a good amount of them are in the same situation as my friend in Qatar.

Thanks for your clarification. I re-read you post, and you said

"married"

i take that to mean it was not an actual union, you also said

essentially a legal arranged marriage

. These are different than what is being talked about in the article. In the article they are talking about real legal binding marriage. You have, IMO, described something different.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Thanks for your clarification. I re-read you post, and you said i take that to mean it was not an actual union, you also said . These are different than what is being talked about in the article. In the article they are talking about real legal binding marriage. You have, IMO, described something different.

Well yes and no.

I think they went through with the religious ceremony, but didn't register it until both the husband and wife were old enough under Qatari laws (which I am unsure about the official age, but I assume it's 15 for females and 17 for males like other countries in the region).

I said "marriage" because it's not a marriage in the sense that we think of in the West. So no living together, no sex, no getting nagged at by your wife for watching too much sports.

I think the main goal of this law in Iran is to make this type of arrangement that I described before legal. Again, I don't like this arrangement, and I don't like the law (particularly because, yes it does open the door for creepy older guys to get married to children).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well yes and no.

I think they went through with the religious ceremony, but didn't register it until both the husband and wife were old enough under Qatari laws (which I am unsure about the official age, but I assume it's 15 for females and 17 for males like other countries in the region).

I said "marriage" because it's not a marriage in the sense that we think of in the West. So no living together, no sex, no getting nagged at by your wife for watching too much sports.

I think the main goal of this law in Iran is to make this type of arrangement that I described before legal. Again, I don't like this arrangement, and I don't like the law (particularly because, yes it does open the door for creepy older guys to get married to children).

But in your example they two did not live together. In the OP article, it was the child leaving the family home and living with the husband. While I don't understand or agree with your example, nor would I ever choose that for my daughter/son, I can see you point. I would also hope that you can understand the revulsion I have at the thought of a 9 yr old walking off into the sunset to live in a "married house".

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well, looking at wikipedia, Iran has a population of about 77.5 million people. Assuming thats accurate and the 850,000 'child bride figure' is factual, this works out to about 1% of the Iranian population.

So, a fairly insignificant outlier. I find it odd that any government would find it sensible to make policy that applies to such an insignificant number of people.

That 850k number is probably exaggerated, and it doesn't provide a definition of "young girl". However, if that 850k number is accurate, then it would account for far greater than 1% of the population.

A better way to look at this would be to look at the percentage of minors who are married. Of the 77.5 million people only a fraction of those are going to be women between the age of 9 and 18. Even then, because you haven't married off your underaged daughter, does not mean you don't support the practice.

All this being said, the population growth rate in Iran continues to fall. This suggests that most people in Iran are waiting until later in life to marry and are purusing other things like school, etc..It's unfortunate the government is taking a different stance.