2013 PGA Tour Thread

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I love #17. I have read a number of the players hate it and think it is too much of a circus, but I can't quite understand why.

The hole plays a maximum of 137 yards. Even players with a 20 or 30 handicap believe they should be able to put the ball on the green from that distance. So to see guys who can do miraculous things on the course struggling with a shot almost anyone can do (or so it feels like when watching), it really makes it interesting.

Especially when, as anyone who has ever shot for an island green knows, for some reason you tend to grip the club a little bit tighter, and the heart beats a little bit louder, and every action feels a little bit more alien.

Which local courses have island greens? I can think of Rivers Edge and Kananaskis.

The Rivers edge one is more difficult than you think as well. Ive only played there once, but I rolled off the back on what I thought was a great shot. Quite a bit longer than 17 at sawgrass if I recall?

#6 at kananaskis mt kidd is pretty huge and not as difficult.

Black mountain in kelowna has a par 4 island green.

And it might be at a muni, but #1 at shag is pretty interesting- 250 yd par 4 on an island green. Kind of silly as a par 4, but I honestly think it would be one of the best par 3's around. It is too long and not enough of an elevated tee to be a par 3, but man that would be tough. Almost impossible to hold the green off the tee right now, but they could change that easily enough.

[Hessen]

Cottonwood has an island as well.

[Bobblehead]

So it appears Sergio was correct.

"It's very simple," Garcia said during an NBC interview Saturday. "You have to pay attention to what's going on because the other guy is hitting. You do something when you're in the crowd, and the crowd is going to respond."

Woods' response to Garcia's complaint was simple: The marshals said I could.

"The marshals, they told me he already hit, so I pulled a club and was getting ready to play my shot," Woods explained, "and then I hear [Garcia's] comments afterward and it's not real surprising that he's complaining about something."

"He didn't ask us nothing," marshal Gary Anderson said Sunday, according to a report by Sports Illustrated. "We didn't say nothing. We're told not to talk to the players."

Chief marshal John North was also present for Woods' controversial shot on the par-5 hole.

"Nothing was said to us and we certainly said nothing to him," North said, according to Sports Illustrated. "I was disappointed to hear him make those remarks. We're there to help the players and enhance the experience of the fans. He was saying what was good for him. It lacked character."

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9...er-woods-story

[GirlySports]

love the comments in that article.. 3000+ comments saying how stupid the marshall is.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

So it appears Sergio was correct.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9...er-woods-story

I've heard others complaining about Tiger not really paying attention to what his playing partner is doing. Stephen Ames had something to say about that years ago too.

Not very hard to believe that Tiger is only thinking about himself out there. I don't know that Garcia does himself any favors by complaining about it though.

[HOOT]

The fact that a PGA tour player can't hit a shot with some noise says all you need to say. Garcia is a big ol' baby! Tiger does the same thing, hit a bad shot and look into the crowd. If Sergio put it within a couple feet this wouldn't be a story it's only because he put a bad swing on it.

It's like tennis players who hit a ball wide and then look at the racquet and play with the strings. Blame anyone but yourself.

[transplant99]

Ken Venturi, who overcame dehydration to win the 1964 U.S. Open and spent 35 years in the booth for CBS Sports, died Friday afternoon. He was 82.

His son, Matt Venturi, said he died in a hospital in Rancho Mirage, Calif. Venturi had been hospitalized the past two months for a spinal infection, pneumonia and then an intestinal infection that he could no longer fight.

One of my alltime favorite golf announcers.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9...n-analyst-dies

[nfotiu]

The ban on anchored putters is going through.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9...g-january-2016

Puts a bit of an asterisk on some of the recent major winners, I'd say. I wonder if this will end some of these guys careers who have counted on them?

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The ban on anchored putters is going through.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9...g-january-2016

Puts a bit of an asterisk on some of the recent major winners, I'd say. I wonder if this will end some of these guys careers who have counted on them?

The tour and the Champions tour should just keep them. There is no case for them being banned. Absolutely no proven stats that these putters are better. Otherwise players would be turning to them in droves.

Don't get it at all.

[Street Pharmacist]

Oh Sergio...



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...redirect=false

Sergio García makes 'racist' remark about old adversary Tiger Woods

García, who has been embroiled in verbal battles with Woods since the Players Championship at Sawgrass this month, was asked in jest if he would have the American round for dinner one night during the upcoming US Open. "We will have him round every night," García said. "We will serve fried chicken."

[killer_carlson]

If that quote is true, that is the end of sergio's sponsorships.

He was winning the debate in the court of public opinion until that.

[Bobblehead]

He has already apologized for it. Stupid move by Sergio.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If that quote is true, that is the end of sergio's sponsorships.

He was winning the debate in the court of public opinion until that.

Quite possible, Fuzzy Zoeller lost two sponsors over the same thing.K-mart and Dunlop

Zoeller, referring to the following year's Masters Champions Dinner, for which the defending champion selects the menu, said,

"He's doing quite well, pretty impressive. That little boy is driving well and he's putting well. He's doing everything it takes to win. So, you know what you guys do when he gets in here? You pat him on the back and say congratulations and enjoy it and tell him not to serve fried chicken next year. Got it." Zoeller then smiled, snapped his fingers, and walked away before turning and adding, or collard greens or whatever the hell they serve

I actually liked Fuzzy but I thought at the time he should have been suspended for that stupid comment, Just as Garcia should be now, no place in sport(or life) for that kind of garbage.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by T@T

Quite possible, Fuzzy Zoeller lost two sponsors over the same thing.K-mart and Dunlop


I actually liked Fuzzy but I thought at the time he should have been suspended for that stupid comment, Just as Garcia should be now, no place in sport(or life) for that kind of garbage.

Fuzzy's comments were far worse. The second sentence was blatantly racist.

Sergio's comments could have had racial undertones or not. Maybe it was more an American jab than a racist one. Maybe Tiger likes Fried Chicken. Maybe Sergio does. Maybe it was racist. Does a Spaniard even identify fried chicken as a black culinary stereotype? I always thought that was an American black stereotype.

[Drake]

Doosh vs Moron........stay tuned for some WWE action. This should be a ring-a-ding-dong-dandy!

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

The tour and the Champions tour should just keep them. There is no case for them being banned. Absolutely no proven stats that these putters are better. Otherwise players would be turning to them in droves.

Don't get it at all.

To me this is like MLB using wood bats. If the golf powers that be decide to change the rules, that's up to them.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

The tour and the Champions tour should just keep them. There is no case for them being banned. Absolutely no proven stats that these putters are better. Otherwise players would be turning to them in droves.

Don't get it at all.

These were the key justifcations cited, and I fully agree.

On the lack of statistical evidence that an anchored stroke is an advantage: "The playing rules are not based on statistical studies; they are based on judgments that define the game and its intended challenges. One of those challenges is to control the entire club, and anchoring alters that challenge.

"Moreover, the issue is not whether anchoring provides a statistically demonstrable advantage to the average player, or on every stroke or in every circumstance. What matters here is whether, by diminishing obstacles inherent in the traditional stroke, anchoring may advantage some players at other times. Statistics are not necessary to resolve that issue."


• On few using an anchored stroke: "Many golfers believe that anchoring is not a proper way to play the game and have not anchored for that reason. Also, the trend over two decades is toward remarkably increasing use -- a particularly worrisome trend now that beginners and juniors are being taught anchored strokes."

The anchored stroke has no place in the game. Personally speaking, I found it to be a turn off seeing a guy win with an anchored putter. I don't think a guy with a 6 footer has to deal with the same pressure with an anchored putter, and I was always more impressed watching a guy sink clutch putts down the stretch by swinging properly.

[Senator Clay Davis]

What, you couldn't work in a grape drink or watermelon reference too Sergio? Guy is such a clown and a coward and really one of the biggest wastes of talent ever.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

The tour and the Champions tour should just keep them. There is no case for them being banned. Absolutely no proven stats that these putters are better. Otherwise players would be turning to them in droves.

Don't get it at all.

Ian Leggatt was on Fan960 this morning, he said in his opinion if the PGA players voted on this topic it would be 90% in favour of the ban.

He said it does provide an advantage.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by flambers

Ian Leggatt was on Fan960 this morning, he said in his opinion if the PGA players voted on this topic it would be 90% in favour of the ban.

He said it does provide an advantage.

Really? Be amazing if he could state what that advantage is seeing as how the stats don't back up any such statement. It's just different and we know how society does not like anything "different". There is NO reason. Just some whiners upset that somebody not putting like they do beat them.