Bouma sits dows with King?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

President of the Boston Bruins HOF Cam Neely
President of the Calgary Flames Ken King

Who would you rather put in charge your team. Who has had success and continuing to do so and who isn't.

That sounds a lot like '6 cups' rhetoric to me.

[Parallex]

The CEO (My supervisor's supervisor's supervisor) of where I work came by my deck and asked me a question 40 minutes ago... based on that obviously he must be terrible at his job and promptly fired.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Parallex

The CEO (My supervisor's supervisor's supervisor) of where I work came by my deck and asked me a question 40 minutes ago... based on that obviously he must be terrible at his job and promptly fired.

You're not in the NHL, stop pretending the president of your company has the same duties as the president of a hockey team.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

You're not in the NHL, stop pretending the president of your company has the same duties as the president of a hockey team.

I'm fairly certain that whatever they (duties as the president of a hockey team) are it doesn't preclude speaking *GASP* with frontline staff.

[Canada 02]

Ken King's defenders say he's just a business man. His opponents say he is meddling in hockey ops.

If he is involved in player exit meetings then he is clearly involved in hockey ops.

I could understand sitting in on a past meeting with Iginla, but if he's in their with Lance Bouma, then he's likely in there with all the players. Sounds like he's meddling in the hockey ops

[transplant99]

I have no doubt that he is in hockey ops...but i also have no doubt it is at the request of his bosses that he do so.

[BigFlameDog]

It doesn't actually say they all sat down together either.....could have been 1 on 1's for all we know.

King's part could have been like others mentioned....how did we treat you? have a nice summer.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Why would the president sit down with a hockey player? Makes no sense.

King is meddling, if you can't see that then you must have the blinders on.

I assume this was supposed to be sarcasm, but you really can't tell on here anymore.

[cznTiburon]

Bouma had a pretty significant injury, think maybe its possible king wants to talk about that and how it's gone with the training staff? Not like we have heard about this with other players so it would seem odd that its only bouma we have heard of so far

[Erick Estrada]

Ken King is living the dream and I can't fault him for that. A non-hockey man getting to play the role of NHL personnel decision maker. There are few people here that wouldn't do the same thing if we were in his place trying to influence personnel decisions based on their observations of watching the team and looking at other teams. However there is a big difference between Cam Neely, John Davidson or sadly even Kevin Lowe being involved in these types of decisions and one of us or Ken King. Ken King like any of us simply isn't qualified. Sure Ken's been on the job for a decade but he is a businessman that made his mark in the newspaper business not hockey. He hasn't played it at any major level nor has he been involved in any amature or professional scouting. He's no more qualified to make personnel decisions than you or I. That's a big problem especially when the GM himself has admitted it's also not his strong point. There's simply too many cooks in the kitchen that don't have a proper hockey background when it comes to talent evaluation and it shows on the small, soft product on the ice and lack of overall talent in the organization. The Calgary Flames in a lot of ways are no better than the Oilers in that the organization is flawed. Until either organization makes changes from the President down we will have to get used to these teams sparring for draft position.

The Alberta NHL teams are in sad states compared to the 80's and it's a shame but a lot of the blame has to be placed at ownership of both teams for letting it get to this. The owners are simply letting their fans down and have to do a better job of filling the important organizational roles.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

It's not the norm if the President is on the business ops side. Patrick LaForge would never sit in on Oilers year-end meetings as an example.

It's perfectly fine behaviour if the President is involved in Hockey Operations (John Davidson as an example). The question is, do you want Ken King involved in Hockey Operations? If he's in these meetings then he is, end of story.

How do you know LaForge didn't sit in?

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I agree with those who think its time to stop calling Feaster a 'non-hockey guy'.

Hockey has been his bread and butter for longer than a lot of CPers have even been following the sport. Doesn't mean he's good, but he's got a lot of hockey experience.

Weisbrod should have been critiqued for being a hockey guy in basketball, not the other way around.

And King is obviously involved in hockey operations. I think this is bad. This team sucks enough without another cook in the kitchen, and I've seen very little to suggest his increasing contribution is making a positive impact.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How do you know LaForge didn't sit in?

Why would he?

[LouCypher]

Ken King sitting down with Lance Bouma seems like a bigger deal from reading this thread then it actually is. Was Ken King riding horses with Curtis Glencross a bigger issue or lesser issue then this one?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by moon

Its nothing close to that.

People can be fine with him being in this meeting and still think he may be meddling.

People are just pointing out how this proves nothing either way and that it isn't a big deal at all and nowhere close to the deal the drama queens are making it out to be.

To quote you in another thread:

What evidence do you have?

I find it funny that the same people that fiercely defend Ken King are the same that laugh at the Oilers for their circus of a management. There's no hard proof that Kevin Lowe is essentially still running that team and yet it's okay to assume it. Given all the smoke and fire around Ken King, why can't anyone assume that?

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Ken King sitting down with Lance Bouma seems like a bigger deal from reading this thread then it actually is. Was Ken King riding horses with Curtis Glencross a bigger issue or lesser issue then this one?

That's a guy who was identified by management as a key player moving forward. He was willing to stay long-term, possibly career long. The president spoke to him on a personal basis, where they discussed this.

Lance Bouma is a 4th liner on his ELC.
Anything to do with Lance Bouma is micromanagement.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Yes, I did.

Why would Ken King need to be in that room? He's not involved in the roster side of things and I pray to god that his insight isn't being shared or taken seriously.

So we have a lawyer, a newspaper guy, and an NBA guy in the room making our hockey decisions. Great.

Why is everything such a travesty with you?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I agree. There's no chance that King was involved in year-end meetings back in 2004 as an example. Does anyone think Ron "Cold Hot Dogs" Bremner was ever involved on the hockey ops side? I sure don't.

There is every chance Ken was involved in '04 player meetings. 'Cause he was.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have no doubt that he is in hockey ops...but i also have no doubt it is at the request of his bosses that he do so.

This I agree with. Ken King is a mouthpiece for the owners...which is a lot bigger issue for this organization than if it was simply Ken King overstepping his job description.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Why would he?

Does LaForge have a role in hiring/firing the GM or coach?