Poll: "Do you believe in the current mgmt group"

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Well this thread certainly turned into a lightning rod for the anti Feaster/KK pitchfork waving fans

Well, Iginla and Bouwmeester Comeaux are gone, Kipper is retiring, the coach is pretty new, the mob needs someone to attack and J/KK are the next logical targets.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What would you expect when over 50% of fans here have given them a no confidence vote? Were you expecting an overly pro-King/Feaster thread when support for them is the minority?

Kind of proves what I was saying then.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Well, Iginla and Bouwmeester Comeaux are gone, Kipper is retiring, the coach is pretty new, the mob needs someone to attack and J/KK are the next logical targets.

With this team missing the playoffs for 4 straight years and waiting until the last minute to rebuild it makes sense they are public enemy number 1. Feaster should have started te rebuild as soon as Sutter was fired and that should have been the marching orders from King with neither guy being a hockey guy they didn't see the problems the rest of the hockey world saw clear as day.

[FAN]

If there are doubts as to Feaster's ability to be a good GM, a new GM really should be hired as soon as possible so he can prepare for the draft and the offseason. This is a critical summer for the Flames and the GM making the decisions really should be a GM who will be here 4-5 years down the line.

Originally Posted by sergei_makarov

I think the ownership/management group have become involved ever since Darryl Sutter went through that crazy phase that started with trading Phaneuf, followed by the Kotalik acquisition and shipping Prust out of town. After giving Sutter free reign to do as he pleased, it turned out very bad for the franchise which will take years to fix.

I think they're buying themselves some time before the right candidate (they probably have a few guys in mind) becomes available to bring in. I'm sure they would have loved Nil or Davidson, but they probably declined for their own reasons.

I think the right candidate will be given more freedom than the rumoured amount that Feaster has, but he has to be the right guy. Since Feaster to them maybe isn't, they've become very involved in decisions.

Since Burke has been available, I'd assume the ownership doesn't see him as the right guy for the role.

If true that's just stupid. The team can't afford to sit there waiting for the right guy. Feaster is entering his 3rd offseason as the team's GM.

Ownership becoming more involved because the last guy screwed up when given full autonomy is just stupid. Guys like Burke, Nill or Davidson aren't going to come here where there is a meddling President or ownership. That's just the way it is. Those guys aren't stupid. They've been in the game long enough to know a good situation from a bad one and this is a bad one compared to the situation Davidson find himself in in Columbus and Nill in Dallas.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Never quite understood the logic that the past three years don't count and Feaster should be given some kind of fresh timetable now that Iginla is gone.
Trading Iginla three years to late and thus wasting a teams biggest asset should be enough to get Feaster fired, the other crap is just Gravy.

It's easy to say he was traded 3 yrs too late but how do you trade a player who doesn't want to be traded?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Kind of proves what I was saying then.

Yes and I simply replied that you were stating the obvious given the results of the poll. Anyone can post in a polled thread and conclude the direction of a thread based on the poll results. All you have proven is that you can read and comprehend. Bravo.

[CaramonLS]

Thus far based on the polling numbers,

Jay Feaster has a 33.77% approval rate moving forward.
Ken King has a 31.64% approval rate moving forward.

This doesn't bode well for the future direction of our team.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

It's easy to say he was traded 3 yrs too late but how do you trade a player who doesn't want to be traded?

Well, it starts by realizing the truth and then asking him... Like this year. If he does not agree, you start the rebuild anyways, stripping the team around him.

Brent saw that the team was not going in the right direction and flat out said so-that's why he didn't return as coach. Feaster didn't agree with him, that's why we are where we are.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by boggledepot

This is the most peculiar sentiment.

Most sane people wouldn't pay two cents to an employee, knowing full well he was going to work somewhere else. And, I guarantee there is not one person on this board who is in the position to pay 3.5 million dollars to someone, just so he can go and work somewhere else.

Maybe, business is different when its hockey.

Just for clarification, didn't buffalo try to send Kotalik to the minors and he refused, bolting to Europe, and letting the sabres off the hook in paying his contract while also pocketing our 2nd round pick?

Too lazy to look it up, but thought that was what ended up happening

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Thus far based on the polling numbers,

Jay Feaster has a 33.77% approval rate moving forward.
Ken King has a 31.64% approval rate moving forward.

This doesn't bode well for the future direction of our team.

All it means is roughly 68% of the plumbers, engineers, doctors, lawyers etc, etc. on this board don't approve.

Has no impact on the future direction of the team whatsoever.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FAN

I think there are many ways to build a team. The ability to make good trades and timely trades are important abilities to have for a GM and shouldn't be dismissed in importance. There's simply no way to draft and develop every player who plays a contributing role to a Stanley Cup victory. Every Cup winner has supplemented the team with good free agent signings and trades.

I'm not saying trades are unimportant. I'm saying they're over-emphasized by fans. There are other aspects of being an NHL GM that are as important, or more important.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by browna

Simple question. For those who specifically think Feaster should be given "more time":

How much more time? This year? Two years, no matter how bad this year is?

I believe Feaster is a caretaker GM. The question is whether he was just brought in to clean up Sutter's immediate mess, or to carry through with the ugly part of the rebuild as well.

The problem I have in assessing Feaster is this:

If he loads up on free agents and short-term fixes this off-season, and the Flames finish 10th, is he just doing the job ownership has given him? Because I don't believe he is in charge of the strategic direction of this team. If Edwards and King don't buy in to a genuine rebuild, then how do we judge Feaster's performance? What does doing a pretty good job of trying to fulfill a bad mandate look like? Improving over last season's record? Making the playoffs?

On the other hand, if the franchise is committed to a genuine rebuild, then the Flames will probably be terrible again next season. And we won't be able to assess how well the rebuild is going for a couple seasons, at least.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

It's easy to say he was traded 3 yrs too late but how do you trade a player who doesn't want to be traded?

Tell Iginla the team is going to rebuild around younger players. Start trading away the vets. Iginla would get the message and agree to be traded.

The delay in the rebuild wasn't because Iginla wouldn't agree to move. The delay was because Edwards and King were stuck on the idea of making Iginla happy and trying to build a playoff team around him, and lost sight of overall direction of the team.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Just for clarification, didn't buffalo try to send Kotalik to the minors and he refused, bolting to Europe, and letting the sabres off the hook in paying his contract while also pocketing our 2nd round pick?

Too lazy to look it up, but thought that was what ended up happening

No, the Sabres loaned him to his European team and paid his full salary last season in case they wanted to recall him to the NHL at some point.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Tell Iginla the team is going to rebuild around younger players. Start trading away the vets. Iginla would get the message and agree to be traded.

The delay in the rebuild wasn't because Iginla wouldn't agree to move. The delay was because Edwards and King and Feaster were stuck on the idea of making Iginla happy and trying to build a playoff team around him, and lost sight of overall direction of the team.

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[HelloHockeyFans]

I like Ken King so keep him. I'm on the fence with Feaster since I think decisions are being made more as a group versus him alone, so if there are concerns about the decisions being made, perhaps a group of people need to go?

[getbak]

Whether it was right or wrong, Iginla was not going to be traded until after he scored his 500th goal and/or 1000th point as a member of the Flames.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by getbak

Whether it was right or wrong, Iginla was not going to be traded until after he scored his 500th goal and/or 1000th point as a member of the Flames.

Definately wrong. These type of stupid milestones that don't mean jack squat is what cost us good value for pretty much all our core players and set this franchise back. You trade players when they make sense and you can maximize value, not so you can see him get 503 goals and 1021 points instead of 496 goals and 978 points.

EDIT : Funny as I write this, its my boss's last day after begin with the company for 39 years and 7 months. When asked when he didn't wait to 40, he just said "it sounds nice and everything, but who are you going to tell and who is going to care? All they'll care about is I'm retired."

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by browna

Simple question. For those who specifically think Feaster should be given "more time":

How much more time? This year? Two years, no matter how bad this year is?

Decisions on spending the tens of millions in cap space, revamping the roster further. and being the the one ultimately responsible for what is done at this important draft falls on him.

Making mistakes at this point, with the next era of the franchise in the balance in this unique offseason, makes his signing Babchuk for 2 years, extending Jackman at the trade deadline, and wanting to sign Comeau for 2 years instead of 1 and all his other dubious roster decisions, even the ROR debacle, seem like child's play.

The reason I am comfortable is because I think the rebuild is a two step process. The first step is to dismantle the team and collect picks, which he is doing. I am happy with the way the current group is drafting which is why I am okay with him staying. Furthermore, I like how some of the young players are developing (with the only hiccup being Sven early in the year) and how they seemed to put Backlund back on course. It definitely is a better environment now.

With the current roster (sans Iginla and Bou) I think they are committed to play young players. I think the the direction is much more evident now.

The second stage is when you change management to make that final push once all the heavy lifting has been done. Chicago did it when got rid of Tallon. Pittsburgh did it when Shero came on board, Anaheim did it when Burke came in. LA when Lombardi came in (although this one is debatable as he was almost fired). It isn't the perfect blue print, but there has been a similar progression when you look at some the cup winners.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Definately wrong. These type of stupid milestones that don't mean jack squat is what cost us good value for pretty much all our core players and set this franchise back. You trade players when they make sense and you can maximize value, not so you can see him get 503 goals and 1021 points instead of 496 goals and 978 points.

EDIT : Funny as I write this, its my boss's last day after begin with the company for 39 years and 7 months. When asked when he didn't wait to 40, he just said "it sounds nice and everything, but who are you going to tell and who is going to care? All they'll care about is I'm retired."

This franchise has been in the playoffs a whopping 9 times in the last 20 years. I don't think anyone is well served to let a group of stumbling leaders that have made mistake after mistake take another kick at righting the ship.