Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[calgarybean]

Monahan seems like a solid pick....although still holding out for that 6% chance

[djsFlames]

I'd also like to add that I agree completely about Nichuskin.

Feaster and Co. will get to sit down and interview him beforehand, and see where his priorities lie. If it's convincing that he desires to make the move to north america asap for the opportunity at a roster spot, and his wishes long term involve the NHL, then I'd say pull the trigger.

Russian factor aside, he's a top 3 player. An absolute steal at 6 if he wants to be part of the solution here.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really hope a team above us takes Nichushkin or Nurse.

I've been a pretty consistent ledgewalker over the last few weeks, but I think we're going to get the center we want. Carolina fans seem to think they're going D or winger. They don't see why they'd take a center.

I hope our management likes Lindholm as much as I do, but we'll be OK either way.

Now ... if we don't draft a center, that's another story.

[Ashasx]

After Nichushkin's comments the other day, no Flames fan should want to draft him.

[doctajones428]

Ooooooooooh I hope we draft Monahan

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

After Nichushkin's comments the other day, no Flames fan should want to draft him.

I didn't catch them, what were they?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I didn't catch them, what were they?

Stated which teams he would like to play for (NYR, Philly) and that he would only come over to North America if he was guaranteed a spot in the NHL.

He's a me-first player. Opposite of what our management has said they're looking for.

[CASe333]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Also..

Recent history of 6th overall selection:

2012: Hampus Lindholm
2011: Mika Zibanejad
2010: Brett Connolly
2009: Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2008: Nikita Filatov
2007: Sam Gagner
2006: Derrick Brassard
2005: Gilbert Brule
2004: Al Montoya
2003: Milan Michalek
2002: Scottie Upshall
2001: Mikko Koivu
2000: Scott Hartnell
1999: Brian Finley
1998: Rico Fata

Surprisingly, a list that doesn't wow you too much overall. There actually were more outstanding picks made at 5 and 7 over this span of time. But hopefully, if this draft really is a 2003 comparable, we land a true long time talent regardless.

Flames have picked sixth 3 times:

1992 Cory Stillman C 1025 278
1997 Daniel Tkaczuk C 19 4
1998 Rico Fata RW 23

[Hockey_Ninja]

Peter Forsberg was drafted 6th.....just saying.

[dying4acup]

And Jaromir Jagr

[Table 5]

Jagr was 5th.

The legendary Scott Scissons was 6th that year.

[dying4acup]

Right

[CASe333]

I was going though our draft history and here is the summary. I've only include notables and most players over 100 games played which is the last column.

year rnd #

1992 1 6 Cory Stillman Canada C 1025
2003 1 9 Dion Phaneuf Canada D 552
2002 1 10 Eric Nystrom United States LW 360
1990 1 11 Trevor Kidd Canada G 387
1999 1 11 Oleg Saprykin Russia LW 325
1984 1 12 Gary Roberts Canada LW 1224
1983 1 13 Dan Quinn Canada C 805
1996 1 13 Derek Morris Canada D 1005
2011 1 13 Sven Baertschi Switzerland LW 5
2001 1 14 Chuck Kobasew Canada RW 531
1981 1 15 Al MacInnis Canada D 1416
1994 1 19 Chris Dingman Canada LW 385
1995 1 20 Denis Gauthier Canada D 554
2012 1 21 Mark Jankowski Canada C 0
2009 1 23 Tim Erixon Sweden D 18
2007 1 24 Mikael Backlund Sweden C 138
1987 2 25 Stephane Matteau Canada LW 848
1985 2 27 Joe Nieuwendyk Canada C 1257
1980 2 32 Kevin LaVallee Canada F 366
1998 2 33 Blair Betts Canada C 477
1986 2 37 Brian Glynn Germany D 431
1984 2 38 Paul Ranheim United States LW 1013
1980 2 39 Steve Konroyd Canada D 895
1996 2 40 Steve Begin Canada C 488
2000 2 40 Kurtis Foster Canada D 382
1989 2 42 Ted Drury United States C 414
2000 2 46 Jarret Stoll Canada C 593
1983 3 51 Brian Bradley Canada C 651
1991 3 52 Sandy McCarthy Canada RW 736
1983 3 55 Perry Berezan Canada C 378
1981 3 56 Mike Vernon Canada G 781
1989 4 70 Robert Reichel Czech Republic C 830
2004 3 70 Brandon Prust Canada LW 279
1982 4 72 Mark Lamb Canada C 403
1996 4 89 Toni Lydman Finland D 812
2002 3 90 Matthew Lombardi Canada C 508
1984 6 117 Brett Hull United States RW 1269
2001 7 220 David Moss United States RW 317
1985 7 143 Stu Grimson Canada LW 729
2000 5 155 Travis Moen Canada F 570
1987 8 166 Theoren Fleury Canada RW 1084
1984 9 180 Gary Suter United States D 1145
1980 9 181 Hakan Loob Sweden F 450
1983 12 231 Sergei Makarov Russia RW 424

[StAlbertFlame]

Remember 2012 NHL Entry Draft when Feaster & Co. went way off board and traded our 14th overall pick to Buffalo for 21st and a second round pick, passing up on Zemgus Girgensons & Cody Ceci; and then passed on Olli Matta, Michael Matheson Henrik Samuelsson, & Brendan Gaunce to take Mark Jankowski.

I'm not saying that the Flames choices in the 2012 draft were bad.....I'm just saying that come draft day, don't be suprised if they don't take the players that central scouting, Bob MacKenzie or any one else would choose at that draft spot.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Boy were we good with late round picks in the 80's: Hull, Fleury, Suter, Loob and Makarov.

[speeds]

I would be kind of surprised if CAR were to “reach” for a D.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2009/5/23...ford-who-needs

I don’t know if it’s true that CAR is hesitant in drafting D in the first round. Perhaps it was true but isn’t now, perhaps it never was. It is true that, since that was written, CAR has drafted a D in the first round, but it’s possible Murphy is more of an exception. That it’s not so much CAR flat out won’t take a D, but maybe that they prefer to avoid it if the D isn’t, in their opinion, overwhelmingly the BPA. Murphy is also a different kind of D, with a ton of offense – CAR may have felt that if they want that specific type of D the best way to get one is the draft if their perception is that high scoring D are overpriced both in the trade and UFA market, relative to other types of D.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Stated which teams he would like to play for (NYR, Philly) and that he would only come over to North America if he was guaranteed a spot in the NHL.

He's a me-first player. Opposite of what our management has said they're looking for.

With all due respect, he was asked which teams in the NHL he liked. He named (NYR, Philly) that's it. Saying he's a me-first player and we shouldn't draft him is like us not taking Iggy because he was an Oilers fan. I hope our management uses a little more intelligence when drafting then that.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by StAlbertFlame

Remember 2012 NHL Entry Draft when Feaster & Co. went way off board and traded our 14th overall pick to Buffalo for 21st and a second round pick, passing up on Zemgus Girgensons & Cody Ceci; and then passed on Olli Matta, Michael Matheson Henrik Samuelsson, & Brendan Gaunce to take Mark Jankowski.

I'm not saying that the Flames choices in the 2012 draft were bad.....I'm just saying that come draft day, don't be suprised if they don't take the players that central scouting, Bob MacKenzie or any one else would choose at that draft spot.

I would be surprised to see that Flames do anything extraordinary with our 1st pick. the other two firsts is another story but I highly expect to see a unsurprising choice with our first pick.

[sureLoss]

Here is a hypothetical draft day situation:

To Buffalo:
St. Louis's 1st (projected to be 20th-25th overall)
Pittsburgh's 1st (projected to be late 25th to 30th overall)

To Calgary:
Minnesota's 1st (projected to be 15th overall assuming 1st round exit to Chicago)
Buffalo's 2nd (38th overall)


Would you do that trade? For what prospect that could potentially fall to 15 would you do that trade for?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Here is a hypothetical draft day situation:

To Buffalo:
St. Louis's 1st (projected to be 20th-25th overall)
Pittsburgh's 1st (projected to be late 25th to 30th overall)

To Calgary:
Minnesota's 1st (projected to be 15th overall assuming 1st round exit to Chicago)
Buffalo's 2nd (38th overall)


Would you do that trade? For what prospect that could potentially fall to 15 would you do that trade for?

Morrissey or Mantha? Or perhaps Zadarov if he slips a bit. Button also has Ristolainen at 20, but I think that's way too late.