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Old 04-24-2013, 09:33 PM   #2441
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If we won the lottery I would rather not see us pick Jones 1st. I'd either prefer to take MacKinnon or swap with Florida or Colorado and pick up an additional pick.

Out of all 32 defenceman picked in the top 5 since 1993, only 2 have been stars (so far).

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Old 04-24-2013, 09:34 PM   #2442
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Yeah I said it before I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe ignores their need for a defenseman and goes for a flashy forward. It's pretty obvious he doesn't have a clue how to build a team.
It's possible to think the defense needs improvement, but that the 2013 1st round draft pick isn't the best way to address that position.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:36 PM   #2443
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If we won the lottery I would rather not see us pick Jones 1st. I'd either prefer to take MacKinnon or swap with Florida or Colorado and pick up an additional pick.

Out of all 32 defenceman picked in the top 5 since 1993, only 2 have been stars (so far).

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I'd add Pietrangelo to that list too.
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I'd add Pietrangelo to that list too.
Yeah, I'd consider him on the cusp of being the 3rd.
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But we're not talking about a Lindros situation here, where one player is clearly better - in those case, it's BPA every time.

But when you are talking Monahan/Nurse/Lindholm, talking about BPA is pointless. They are inter-changable with respect to likelihood of success.

Take the player that suits your situation.
I don't agree that Nurse is in the same tier as those two, I think both are better prospects than Nurse, but that aside I'd still generally prefer F's than D in the first round. Scouts are better IMO at assessing forwards than they are at assessing defencemen. It's not a knock on Nurse, or any D, IMO, to say that I'd prefer EDM to draft a F than a D at that spot in the draft simply because I think the odds of the F turning out are better than the odds of the D working out as expected.

EDM could use a D, but that doesn't necessarily mean the draft is the best way to address that need.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:29 PM   #2446
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I hope the Oilers take Nichushkin
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I disagree. You never waste those high draft picks - especially in a year like this which can really mean a lot to a franchise picking high. Veterans as a supporting cast can be had for other pieces and lower draft picks. Having blue-chip talent year after year to come in can really set you up for years to come through play and for controlling salary. No smart team will give up a top 5 pick for a veteran presence. Other deals can be made for that.
I just think they need to try something different thats all. I would never want the Flames to trade our high pick so inherently I agree with you. With the Oil I think it's an exceptional situation wherein - impact player now > potential higher impact player in 5 years.

Or they could consider moving that pick for an high potential top-pairing dman who's further along in the development curve (think Eric Gudbranson or something).
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:39 PM   #2448
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I think if Edmonton doesnt end up with a top 3 pick that they trade it for enormous return
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I hope the Oilers take Nichushkin
So he can convince Yakupov to leave to the KHL with him
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:44 PM   #2450
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I think if Edmonton doesnt end up with a top 3 pick that they trade it for enormous return
If L.A. gets bounced early I could see them moving Doughty for Edmonton's pick plus something else.

Even though they won the cup that relationship just hasn't seemed the same since the holdout.
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If L.A. gets bounced early I could see them moving Doughty for Edmonton's pick plus something else.

Even though they won the cup that relationship just hasn't seemed the same since the holdout.
That seems reasonable.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:50 PM   #2452
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If L.A. gets bounced early I could see them moving Doughty for Edmonton's pick plus something else.

Even though they won the cup that relationship just hasn't seemed the same since the holdout.
...Seriously? Without Doughty LA's D is a lot weaker.
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I could see it.

Voynov has surpassed Doughty on their depth chart, his contract is big, and I think they could look to move Doughty before his NTC kicks ala Richards and Carter.

The one thing holding it back is that they will be division rivals after realignment.
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I could see it.

Voynov has surpassed Doughty on their depth chart, his contract is big, and I think they could look to move Doughty before his NTC kicks ala Richards and Carter.
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If we win the lottery would you trade the pick?

Say o Philly for both Schenns, or to NYI for Reinhart and Neinorider?
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If we win the lottery would you trade the pick?
Absolutely not. Take Mackinnon and run.
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I don't care who Edmonton picks as long as they bust.

Any ideas on players the Flames should target with their later round picks?

Myles Bell is a pretty good player but I think it is for the best that he doesn't play in Calgary

Alex Forsberg was a former 1st overall WHL pick who has dropped off the face of the Earth, project pick?

JC Lipon was great at the start of the year for Kamloops but seems to have dropped off since then
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:05 AM   #2458
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I really want MacKinnon and I would try and trade up to get him but I wouldn't include Brodie, Backlund or Sven to do it.

Another thing to consider is that as much as it seems to be a CP consensus that we like Lindholm, don't be surprised if he goes earlier than the rankings to Nashville. I remember reading or hearing that he has connection with Filip Forsberg (friends or former teammates/linemates) for whom they just traded for at the deadline.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:27 AM   #2459
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If we win the lottery we trade the 1st to Florida for 2nd overall and their 2nd rounder.

Then trade the STL 1st, PITT 1st and FLA 2nd rounder to Avs for 3rd overall.

Get Mackinnon and Drouin.

Dreaming....
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If we win the lottery we trade the 1st to Florida for 2nd overall and their 2nd rounder.

Then trade the STL 1st, PITT 1st and FLA 2nd rounder to Avs for 3rd overall.

Get Mackinnon and Drouin.

Dreaming....
I think you ask for more than a 2nd rounder to move down from 1st to 2nd. Probably even though it's #31.
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