If we get 1st overall we are drafting Seth Jones. No way we trade down unless Colorado/Florida offer us their 1st, 2nd and next years 1st. AKA they would need to absolutely floor us with a good deal to move the pick.
If we get 1st overall we are drafting Seth Jones. No way we trade down unless Colorado/Florida offer us their 1st, 2nd and next years 1st. AKA they would need to absolutely floor us with a good deal to move the pick.
Jones is appealing and does fit our needs (right shooting #1 d-man). He's a very special prospect. The biggest concern I have with him is that he may want to go to a big market American city later in his career and that might hurt our chances of retaining him significantly into his UFA years. If I didn't have that concern I'd say he'd be a no-brainer pick at #1.
MacKinnon could be the face of the franchise more easily IMO. A potential superstar Canadian centre. I think we would be less likely to have problems getting him signed later in his career than Jones. Really have fallen in love with his game from the times I've seen him. Makes one drool to think of adding his speed, skill and tenacity into the Flames lineup ahead of Backlund.
I'm with many of the posters above. If we completely luck out and win the lottery I'd be tempted to drop one spot and grab MacKinnon + whatever FLA/COL offers to move up.
To me MacKinnon + 2nd rounder + 3rd rounder > Jones
I might even do it for just the 2nd rounder
Having the really high 2nd would give us a ton of flexibility. We could more easily trade up with STL or PIT pick to get a key guy that falls at some point. Or just take MacKinnon + 3 guys we have ranked as 1st rounders.
Silly lottery getting our hopes up :P
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Ahhh, remember the good 'ol days when we were tied for last and we were not screwing ourselves out of an elite pick by all of a sudden winning meaningless games ? Those were the days. I hope somehow, some way, we get our hands on MacKinnon.
Ahhh, remember the good 'ol days when we were tied for last and we were not screwing ourselves out of an elite pick by all of a sudden winning meaningless games ? Those were the days. I hope somehow, some way, we get our hands on MacKinnon.
That week of giddiness felt by winning three meaningless games will be replaced for a decade or more with bitterness if the player we could have picked ends up being a superstar. Man, I hope whoever we pick turns into a star and is better than the player we could have picked if we didn't win those three games.
Voynov has surpassed Doughty on their depth chart, his contract is big, and I think they could look to move Doughty before his NTC kicks ala Richards and Carter.
The one thing holding it back is that they will be division rivals after realignment.
Sorry only Flames staff uses that logic not cup-winning teams. Another good D has emerged? Trade the last one!
If we get 1st overall we are drafting Seth Jones. No way we trade down unless Colorado/Florida offer us their 1st, 2nd and next years 1st. AKA they would need to absolutely floor us with a good deal to move the pick.
Not so sure we would
Say we ignore the drafting for need vs BPA argument. Plus all the other things about drafting a defenseman first overall.
Does a prairie city in Canada want to take a chance on an American bigshot who's getting interest from Jay-Z's agency?
Voynov has surpassed Doughty on their depth chart, his contract is big, and I think they could look to move Doughty before his NTC kicks ala Richards and Carter.
The one thing holding it back is that they will be division rivals after realignment.
Doughty plays a lot more minutes than Voynov overall and at ES, PP, SH.
What reason is there to think that Voynov has surpassed him on the depth chart?
Jones is appealing and does fit our needs (right shooting #1 d-man). He's a very special prospect. The biggest concern I have with him is that he may want to go to a big market American city later in his career and that might hurt our chances of retaining him significantly into his UFA years. If I didn't have that concern I'd say he'd be a no-brainer pick at #1.
MacKinnon could be the face of the franchise more easily IMO. A potential superstar Canadian centre. I think we would be less likely to have problems getting him signed later in his career than Jones. Really have fallen in love with his game from the times I've seen him. Makes one drool to think of adding his speed, skill and tenacity into the Flames lineup ahead of Backlund.
I'm with many of the posters above. If we completely luck out and win the lottery I'd be tempted to drop one spot and grab MacKinnon + whatever FLA/COL offers to move up.
To me MacKinnon + 2nd rounder + 3rd rounder > Jones
I might even do it for just the 2nd rounder
Having the really high 2nd would give us a ton of flexibility. We could more easily trade up with STL or PIT pick to get a key guy that falls at some point. Or just take MacKinnon + 3 guys we have ranked as 1st rounders.
Silly lottery getting our hopes up :P
Why do we project this on the guy? He's a defenseman.. no matter where he plays unless he's Bobby Orr he's not going to be a mega celebrity playing hockey. He's moved all over to play hockey - Texas, Denver, Michigan and now Portland. He was going to go to college at North Dakota - not Michigan or Boston College or any big market (yes North Dakota is a well funded hockey program). He didn't want to play in Everett in the WHL - but that is in the States.
Why do we project this on the guy? He's a defenseman.. no matter where he plays unless he's Bobby Orr he's not going to be a mega celebrity playing hockey. He's moved all over to play hockey - Texas, Denver, Michigan and now Portland. He was going to go to college at North Dakota - not Michigan or Boston College or any big market (yes North Dakota is a well funded hockey program). He didn't want to play in Everett in the WHL - but that is in the States.
Not really commenting on your main message but North Dakota, Michigan, and BC are the three highest profile college hockey programs.
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Why in the heck would the Kings trade Doughty for the Oilers first? So they could draft Nurse and hope that in three years he can play close to Doughty's level? Makes no sense considering the Kings are already deep at center wich would likely be their only other option with that pick.
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Not really commenting on your main message but North Dakota, Michigan, and BC are the three highest profile college hockey programs.
There's a bunch of similar schools to North Dakota - Minnesota, BU, Michigan State, Wisconsin perhaps even Notre Dame. Its still in the middle of nowhere.
There's a bunch of similar schools to North Dakota - Minnesota, BU, Michigan State, Wisconsin perhaps even Notre Dame. Its still in the middle of nowhere.
Yes it's in the middle of nowhere but they probably have the most legit arena in all of college hockey. Nobody nobody who follows college hockey would put any of those programs alongside North Dakota with the possible exception of Minnesota.. Putting Notre Dame in that group? Not even close. In any given year any of them are strong but North Dakota is a perennial powerhouse with only BC and Michigan as company.
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If we won the lottery I would rather not see us pick Jones 1st. I'd either prefer to take MacKinnon or swap with Florida or Colorado and pick up an additional pick.
Out of all 32 defenceman picked in the top 5 since 1993, only 2 have been stars (so far).
Say to Philly for both Schenns, or to NYI for Reinhart and Neinorider?
I would make the trade.
Flames first round pick and Chris Butler for Flyers first round pick, Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, Daniel Briere, and Nick Cousins.
Difference between MacKinnon (who we would pick - Flyers would probably take Jones) and picking 8th (Lindholm or Monahan) is easily made up with the Brayden Schenn. Luke Schenn higher salary offsets any improvement over Butler, and helps the Flyer organization move on from the JVR trade disaster. The Flyers need to clear cap space and taking back Briere or Timmonen and getting back a young prospect like Cousins or Laughton would help to restock the shelves and provides some talent up front if the Flames are serious about challenging for the playoffs next year. Briere can also be moved at the trade deadline next year or the year after if the Flames hold back some salary.
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I would make the trade.
Flames first round pick and Chris Butler for Flyers first round pick, Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, Daniel Briere, and Nick Cousins.
Difference between MacKinnon (who we would pick - Flyers would probably take Jones) and picking 8th (Lindholm or Monahan) is easily made up with the Brayden Schenn. Luke Schenn higher salary offsets any improvement over Butler, and helps the Flyer organization move on from the JVR trade disaster. The Flyers need to clear cap space and taking back Briere or Timmonen and getting back a young prospect like Cousins or Laughton would help to restock the shelves and provides some talent up front if the Flames are serious about challenging for the playoffs next year. Briere can also be moved at the trade deadline next year or the year after if the Flames hold back some salary.
You're nuts if you think Philly even looks at that offer. Even with salary considered, that's ridiculous.
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