Right. So, racial profiling is not really about saving lives, its about saving time and resources (almost always for the majority) at the expense of the privacy and dignity of the profilees (surprise, surprise, almost always the minority.)
The people 100% for profiling of course are 99.9% likely to never be profiled themselves, so of course they are for it. Much like they'd be for any invasion of privacy that doesn't invade their privacy personally.
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Right. So, racial profiling is not really about saving lives, its about saving time and resources (almost always for the majority) at the expense of the privacy and dignity of the profilees (surprise, surprise, almost always the minority.)
Yep, and I return the favor by being a prick at the airport.
I am always the last one out of my plane to get through customs. I invite anyone to travel with me and see how they like being treated like a second rate citizen when I was born and raised a Calgarian.
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White privilege is an obvious fact about society. It does not make you a bad person if you are white. It just means people will give you more credit and opportunities.
This test measures your implicit preference in race. Most people (whether they are racist, anti-racist or whatever) will find that they implicitly prefer white people. It is not something that is done consciously. But you have to be aware of it when judging your perceptions in order to judge people and situations with as little racial bias as possible.
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I'm sure being white gives you some advantages, but it also carries some disadvantages (particularly, via affirmative action). It is likely true that being a part of any social group is a mixed bag.
I'm sure being white gives you some advantages, but it also carries some disadvantages (particularly, via affirmative action). It is likely true that being a part of any social group is a mixed bag.
I'd like to see a real story of when affirmative action actually ended up screwing over a middle-class, white, CIS male, that has been corroborated by an independant.
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The people 100% for profiling of course are 99.9% likely to never be profiled themselves, so of course they are for it. Much like they'd be for any invasion of privacy that doesn't invade their privacy personally.
Sounds like you're profiling those people.
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You have the leftist media hoping for the perp to be a white conservative type so they can demonize, and the neocon war hawks on the right are praying it's a brown person from a country they would like to invade.
This will most likely be exploited by the ruling class to further reduce liberty for everyone. Maybe expanded DHS/TSA presence nationally?
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I'm sure being white gives you some advantages, but it also carries some disadvantages (particularly, via affirmative action). It is likely true that being a part of any social group is a mixed bag.
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White privilege is an obvious fact about society. It does not make you a bad person if you are white. It just means people will give you more credit and opportunities.
Exactly right. I'm actually a bit shocked that transplant99 is denying that white privilege is a real thing that actually exists in society. I suspect his opposition to the concept is just a knee-jerk reaction because he doesn't know what white privilege actually is and feels he he has to defend himself from perceived accusations that he's a bad person because he was born with white skin.
White privilege means that, solely on the basis of skin colour and no other characteristics, many people in Western society will treat you differently than they would someone who isn't white. Or to put it another way, people with non-white skin will be subjected to obstacles, challenges, and discrimination (either overt or subtle) in life that are not equally experienced by white people.
That absolutely does not mean that those of us with white skin are bad people or that we should feel guilty about our race. The term "white privilege" is merely describing the very well-documented societal bias that benefits the white majority. Are there really people in the year 2013 who think that such a cultural bias does not exist?
To use an analogy, if life were a video game, being born as a heterosexual white male in an industrialized Western nation is like playing on easy mode. That's not a guarantee that you can't fail or that victory is handed to you right from the start, but rather it means that there are certain challenges others experience that you will never have to face solely because of your race, gender, and sexual orientation.
I'm sure being white gives you some advantages, but it also carries some disadvantages (particularly, via affirmative action). It is likely true that being a part of any social group is a mixed bag.
I'll bite. You're telling me that programs that reduce the massive advantage that white males have to just an advantage is a problem? White males aren't disadvantaged from most affirmative action like programs, they're simply no longer advantaged to the degree they've become accustomed.
I'll bite. You're telling me that programs that reduce the massive advantage that white males have to just an advantage is a problem? White males aren't disadvantaged from most affirmative action like programs, they're simply no longer advantaged to the degree they've become accustomed.
Remember, affirmative action sets aside a certain number of positions (jobs, schooling) for other races; If 100 spots exist and whites can only apply to 90 of them, they are at a disadvantage (when minorties have access to all 100).
Say that applies to a school. Normally the top 100 students get in, but now, less than that will get in due to affirmative action (Assuming there are minorities below that 100 level who wouldn't normally get in) and will miss out due to minorities less highly rated being given positions due to their color alone.
I don't think that anyone on here is advocating the type of racial profiling that results in black men in fancy cars getting stopped more often or Middle Eastern people getting searched more often in airports, and I don't think anyone is defending that 4chan photo of the "suspicious looking" brown men. I also don't think that anyone is saying that the FBI shouldnt focus more on Middle Easterners in the photos if their investigation reveals that the bomb's signature points to the Middle East, or that they shouldn't focus more on white people in the photos if the signature points to a domestic militia. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but maybe we could do that in a different thread?
Remember, affirmative action sets aside a certain number of positions (jobs, schooling) for other races; If 100 spots exist and whites can only apply to 90 of them, they are at a disadvantage (when minorties have access to all 100).
Say that applies to a school. Normally the top 100 students get in, but now, less than that will get in due to affirmative action (Assuming there are minorities below that 100 level who wouldn't normally get in) and will miss out due to minorities less highly rated being given positions due to their color alone.
The assumption underlying affirmative action, and I think it is a pretty solid one, is that there would be more non-whites in that top 100 if those non-whites did not face the particular challenges of growing up non-white (whether prejudice, higher rates of poverty, etc.) So, in essence, the theory is that the top 100 is not a true reflection of the 100 brightest, most promising students.
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Not true, NYC had a great deal of success using racial profiling to reduce crime in the late 90's/ early 00's.
Source? (Genuinely curious)
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I'll bite. You're telling me that programs that reduce the massive advantage that white males have to just an advantage is a problem? White males aren't disadvantaged from most affirmative action like programs, they're simply no longer advantaged to the degree they've become accustomed.
I take issue with any type of quota system or tokenism. When you are talking about a zero-sum game (and many things fall into this category, jobs, college spaces etc.) then an advantage conveyed to someone - through a quota, diversity requirement, or even a simple desire to appear pro-diversity - is discrimination against someone else. Let people compete on merit... that's what equality means to me. No affirmative action required.
Furthermore, implementing this type of affirmative action implicitly reinforces the notion that minority groups cannot compete on a merit basis, which is an effect detrimental to the minority group.
I don't think that anyone on here is advocating the type of racial profiling that results in black men in fancy cars getting stopped more often or Middle Eastern people getting searched more often in airports, and I don't think anyone is defending that 4chan photo of the "suspicious looking" brown men. I also don't think that anyone is saying that the FBI shouldnt focus more on Middle Easterners in the photos if their investigation reveals that the bomb's signature points to the Middle East, or that they shouldn't focus more on white people in the photos if the signature points to a domestic militia. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but maybe we could do that in a different thread?
Looking for Saudi suspects when there is already evidence linking the perpetrators to Saudi Arabia is not racial profiling. That is not what I am arguing against at all.
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While being constantly at or near the of the lists for Human Rights violations worldwide, despite being a First World country.
I think this clearly demonstrates you are depending on a bunch of bs. Who do you think makes the accusations againt Israel? And what other legitamate global events are ignored by the UN?
Israel seemingly is the only target of the UN, demonstrating corruption and hypocracy. This seems to blind fools, perhaps like you, to ignore those countries where real tragedy takes place and focus your ill will towards Israel.
Your comment is not truthful nor beneficial to any valuable or intelligent comversation.
Israel is a beacon of peace, democracy and freedom in the middle east, surrounded by oppressed peoplethat are often brutalized by their own government. And you call out Israel?
