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Old 04-18-2013, 09:14 AM   #161
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"Incompetence" and "disaster" seem to overstatements, at best.

Its also interesting to note that all other parties (as well as many posters here) predicted that WRP's election platform was also a "disaster". The difference between the WRP and the PCs is that one was elected, is making real decisions, and is therefore being scrutinized, whereas the other was not, is doing nothing, and is therefore not being scrutinized.
Well, judging by the terrible performance of Redford in recent polls, it seems that many Albertan's would judge the premier as 'incompetent' or her performance as a 'disaster'.

The same is not true for the opposition parties, no matter how you try to spin it. Whatever 'nothing' Danielle Smith is doing, it seems to be working for her quite well.
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Well, judging by the terrible performance of Redford in recent polls, it seems that many Albertan's would judge the premier as 'incompetent' or her performance as a 'disaster'.

The same is not true for the opposition parties, no matter how you try to spin it. Whatever 'nothing' Danielle Smith is doing, it seems to be working for her quite well.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:40 AM   #163
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Actually, their current policy documents are awesome. Which is your favorite?
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Actually, their current policy documents are awesome. Which is your favorite?
Tough call. I'm somewhat partial to conscience rights, but I also did get a good chuckle out of the Dani-dollars. Which one is your favorite?
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"Incompetence" and "disaster" seem to overstatements, at best.

Its also interesting to note that all other parties (as well as many posters here) predicted that WRP's election platform was also a "disaster". The difference between the WRP and the PCs is that one was elected, is making real decisions, and is therefore being scrutinized, whereas the other was not, is doing nothing, and is therefore not being scrutinized.
I wouldn't say that the PC's are making decisions as much as doing panic filled scrambles as they keep getting caught in scandals, dishonesty, half baked electoral retreats.

Redford has done a thorough job of earning her 30% approval rating.

The other problem with that party is they have an entitlement opportunity and are completely getting caught out of left field and then coming across as petulant baby's.

Unless the PC's gas Redford there's next to nothing to prevent a Wildrose majority in the next election.

The problem is that the senior members of that party that would step in to replace her are just as unpopular.

Lukazuk, Gorner, Horne, Denis, Hughes and Johnson have come across as the incompetent gang who couldn't shoot straight.

This government is pretty much an outright disaster
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:07 AM   #166
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Tough call. I'm somewhat partial to conscience rights, but I also did get a good chuckle out of the Dani-dollars. Which one is your favorite?
Well as a legacy policy I could understand the intellectual position of conscience rights, but that policy will be dropped if the last AGM was any indication. It's nice to have a party with such an open member driven policy structure.

Dani-Dollars was an interesting idea, but what was really important would be having the ability to spend surplus dollars instead of piling debt upon our children like the PC's or hugely raising taxes and killing jobs like the Liberals would.

My favorite policies have to be the Health Care reforms that are so badly needed in this province. Modelling ourselves after much more efficient and successful jurisdictions seems to be such a no-brainer but instead we hear more stories of waste and abuse every day.
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My favorite policies have to be the Health Care reforms that are so badly needed in this province. Modelling ourselves after much more efficient and successful jurisdictions seems to be such a no-brainer but instead we hear more stories of waste and abuse every day.
Oooooh, this is my favourite one! I can't believe no one else thought of modelling ourselves after more efficient and successful healthcare systems!

Wait, which actual healthcare systems did the WRP suggest that we model our's after again? I can't remember?
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I'm a big fan of funding municipal infrastructure through surpluses, given that it's the exact opposite of the stable, predictable funding that Nenshi wants.
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I forgot, the other awesome policy they have is recall. If I had more time to waste I would try this one out on my MLA who happens to be a Wildrose MLA. I think with a little effort that I could collect 10% in signatures! (as could anyone in basically any riding in the province for any party...which is why these things are so ridiculous)
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That's a weak argument and you know it.

Unless of course you're suggesting that governments MUST always follow through on their promise regardless of changing economic conditions.

If that's the the case, you must have been outraged when Harper increased spending in an attempt to head off a major recession.
Interesting that you chose to dodge the question (which is sadly typical of Redford's unwavering defenders here): how many lies and broken promises are you willing to ignore before you actually look at Redford's performance rather than continue to try and deflect, deflect, deflect? Two promises broken here, and they are merely the latest on an ever-growing pile.

Head on question: Do you think Redford made the right call reneging on these two promises, cutting education funding and causing programs, such as nursing, to get cut? More importantly, can you even answer the question without trying to deflect the answer toward something that is not Redford and the government?

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(which is sadly typical of Redford's unwavering defenders here):.

I'm not sure that "She sucks, but did you see the crazy lady she was running against?!" counts as unwavering defense, but ok.
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pages later and still no one can commend Redford on the "good" she has done (you know...the original reason for this thread and all) and are STILL deflecting criticism towards the WRA who arent even in power and what *might* happen if they were.

So telling as to the answer to the OP and oh so easy to predict.
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In fairness Transplant, Makarov did have a post where he stated some good things he felt she's done. It was kind of lost in all of the "crap, keep deflecting the topic" nonsense thought.
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pages later and still no one can commend Redford on the "good" she has done (you know...the original reason for this thread and all) and are STILL deflecting criticism towards the WRA who arent even in power and what *might* happen if they were.

So telling as to the answer to the OP and oh so easy to predict.
It's cute that you guys think that we're defending Redford by presenting her as the lesser of two evils.
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Oooooh, this is my favourite one! I can't believe no one else thought of modelling ourselves after more efficient and successful healthcare systems!

Wait, which actual healthcare systems did the WRP suggest that we model our's after again? I can't remember?
The one's listed in their policy documents. You have read them, right?
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It's cute that you guys think that we're defending Redford by presenting her as the lesser of two evils.
From the guy who hasn't read a single policy document, your endorsement definitely isn't much of a real defense.
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The one's listed in their policy documents. You have read them, right?
Yeah they cite France, Germany and Belgium, all of whom have a mixed system where those without means suffer. Sounds like a good plan chief.

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From the guy who hasn't read a single policy document, your endorsement definitely isn't much of a real defense.
Oh I've read them, but collaborated documents don't mask the horrific ideals of the party leaders.
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Yeah they cite France, Germany and Belgium, all of whom have a mixed system where those without means suffer. Sounds like a good plan chief.
If by 'suffer' you mean measurable societal health care outcomes are better than Alberta, all while costing less, then sign us up for the suffering.
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It's cute that you guys think that we're defending Redford by presenting her as the lesser of two evils.

Deflect some more!!!

Any answers to the original post yet?
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If by 'suffer' you mean measurable societal health care outcomes are better than Alberta, all while costing less, then sign us up for the suffering.
Yeah France's immigrant population is certainly filled with satisfied customers.
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