Nah, that dubious honour goes to an ad from the 1993 campaign that was so bad that even the Conservative Party's own candidates issued personal apologies to Jean Chretien.
The face of three straight majority governments. Must've done something right.
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The thing about all the bitching about the attack ads is that they work, albeit only to a point. The Liberals were able to hold the Conservatives to a couple minorities using the "he's scary" attacks. It kind of bombed the third time around though, especially given the American Tourist line of ads was ultimately more persuasive. Given this has been SOP for both parties for a long time now, the melodramatic reaction from some has been rather hilarious.
Yes, the Liberal attack ads during the 2006 election were pretty scummy. Here's the thing, though - they were DURING AN ELECTION. Everyone runs attack ads during electoral campaigns. I can live with that.
What I can't live with, however, is having election-style propaganda on my TV and radio at all times. I don't remember Chretien's Liberals running attack ads against Preston Manning and Stockwell Day year-round.
The face of three straight majority governments. Must've done something right.
Yes, he got the Reform and Conservatives to fight among themselves, splitting that voting segment. He never got any better percentage of the popular vote than Harper did.
I don't think you have a clue about what the proper strategy should be. The attack ads are effective. Think back to when they rolled them out against Ignatieff. By the time that he actually started campaigning, there had already been a full year of attack ads hitting the Canadian voters. The guy never had a chance. Anyone that thinks Trudeau has a shot is just kidding themselves. Listen to the man speak and you will know what I am talking about. Conservatives may not get another majority, but they won't lose to this
You are somehow assuming Ignatief and Trudeau are the same candidate, and whatever you think of Trudeau he's without a doubt more popular than Ignatief ever was. This is also now a tired line from the CPC, you cannot keep going to attack ads especially not when your opponents can attack your very mediocre record. It's also more difficult to attack Trudeau on his record cause obviously its not very much. But as pointed out in this thread that seems about the norm for most PMs.
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Fair enough. That is going to be an interesting battle between the NDP and the Liberals. Do the NDP get destroyed in the next election? With the Liberals and Bloc stealing seats back and the loss of their figure head i see that party getting decimated. Might give Trudeau a mulligan if they don't make up significant ground in his first election. Could allow him basically a trial run to work out the kinks before they take on the conservatives post Harper.
You are somehow assuming Ignatief and Trudeau are the same candidate, and whatever you think of Trudeau he's without a doubt more popular than Ignatief ever was. This is also now a tired line from the CPC, you cannot keep going to attack ads especially not when your opponents can attack your very mediocre record. It's also more difficult to attack Trudeau on his record cause obviously its not very much. But as pointed out in this thread that seems about the norm for most PMs.
He's been the Liberal leader for a week now. Who knows how his popularity stacks up Ignatieff? I guess we will have to wait and see how things turn out over the next 2 years, but I think all Trudeau will accomplish is winning back the votes that the NDP got last election. This will likely be enough to prevent a Conservative majority, but not defeat them.
Obviously the winner of the election will be based on the state of the economy. If the Conservatives are still running deficits in 2015 it will be virtually impossible for them to win. If things turn around and Trudeau goes bust it could be another majority.
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Is that riling up the base or bringing in new support though?
personally, if the vote was next month i probably wouldn't have bothered to register before that ad. but after watching it, my distaste for the Conservative party has reached a point where i will register just so that i can vote against them. i know it's anecdotal, but i bet i'm not alone
You are saying you would'nt have voted before the ad, but now you would vote anti conservative? I feel like you're not being completely honest lol. Is that really the worst thing you have ever seen?
Yes, he got the Reform and Conservatives to fight among themselves, splitting that voting segment. He never got any better percentage of the popular vote than Harper did.
This is a factually incorrect statement.
All of this is according to the Wikipedia articles of Canadian elections, so feel free to take that into account.
In 2011, Stephen Harper received 39.2% of the popular vote. Majority.
In 2007, Stephen Harper received 37.65% of the popular vote. Minority.
In 2006, Stephen Harper received 36.27% of the popular vote. Minority.
In 1993, Jean Chretien received 41.24% of the popular vote. Majority.
In 1997, Jean Chretien received 38.46% of the popular vote. Majority.
In 2000, Jean Chretien received 40.85% of the popular vote. Majority.
I'm not a doctor, but it does appear that Mr Harper received more of the popular vote than Mr Chretien on a solitary occasion. And did so in an election where literally everything was in his favor. Yet he only managed to best Chretien's WORST popular vote total.
Say what you will about either man, that speaks volumes about who this country is willing to trust.
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He's been the Liberal leader for a week now. Who knows how his popularity stacks up Ignatieff? I guess we will have to wait and see how things turn out over the next 2 years, but I think all Trudeau will accomplish is winning back the votes that the NDP got last election. This will likely be enough to prevent a Conservative majority, but not defeat them.
It depends on whether or not the country is willing to continue being scared. I would guess most of the ground the NDP made last election under Layton will evaporate in his absence. The Bloc is smashed. The NDP has no leader that inspires the way Jack Layton did.
Justin Trudeau has to present a reasonable vision for Canada; he has to be seen as a uniter, not a fearmonger.
Harper's last three elections have seen him run against the minority PM who was heavily tainted by the sponsorship scandal, Stephane Dion, and Michael Ignatieff. He's run essentially unopposed, and he's taken three elections to get a majority. That indicates that most Canadians don't like him, but after two straight minorities and a field of no other viable alternatives, they gave him a go.
If the Liberals are remotely competent in the next election, and their new leader is the charismatic visionary they hope he is, he will defeat Harper. You simply cannot be as disliked as he is.
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As it does in other areas, politics inverts all the normal rules of debate. The speaker who is interested in persuading his audience will present his opponent’s arguments in the best possible light: the more convincing will he be when he knocks them down. But politics is not about persuading. It is about discrediting, kneecapping your opponent before he does the same to you. Attack ads are the purest form of this ethos.
What can we do about this? I can think of two things. One, we can stop subsidizing it. Modern election campaigns do not need to cost nearly as much as they do. The only reason each party spends as much as it does is because the others do, and most of what they spend it on hurts democracy — like attack ads. Take away the tax credits and the reimbursements, and we’d all be better off.
And two: make the party leaders voice the ads. None of these ads appears without the leader’s authorization — yet their fingerprints are kept off them. They can take the high road, while their minions do their dirty work. If any of this filth came out of their own mouths, they’d have to be accountable for it. Their public standing would suffer. Indeed, they’d sound ridiculous.
So make them accountable. There’s no restriction of free speech involved: they could still say what they liked. They’d just have to own it. I have a hunch they’d clean up their act in a hurry.
Yes, the Liberal attack ads during the 2006 election were pretty scummy. Here's the thing, though - they were DURING AN ELECTION. Everyone runs attack ads during electoral campaigns. I can live with that.
What I can't live with, however, is having election-style propaganda on my TV and radio at all times. I don't remember Chretien's Liberals running attack ads against Preston Manning and Stockwell Day year-round.
You are defending Stockwell Day? hahaha. The guy thinks the earth is 6000 years old and that there were no dinosaurs! chocolate milk shower for you!
You are defending Stockwell Day? hahaha. The guy thinks the earth is 6000 years old and that there were no dinosaurs! chocolate milk shower for you!
Re-read his post. He's not defending Day; he's saying that he doesn't remember the Liberals running attack ads against Stockwell Day year-round outside of an election campaign (because they didn't).
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Re-read his post. He's not defending Day; he's saying that he doesn't remember the Liberals running attack ads against Stockwell Day year-round outside of an election campaign (because they didn't).
Whoops. Playing candy crush and talking politics at the same time isn't a good thing.
Oh well at least i got to type chocolate milk shower today.
I remember the Liberals attacking Manning, Day and Harper outside of elections. They compared Manning to the KKK, ridiculed Day over his religion and tried to paint Harper as some sort of antichrist. Did any of the actual paid attack ads air outside of an election period? can't say for sure but probably.
I remember the Liberals attacking Manning, Day and Harper outside of elections. They compared Manning to the KKK, ridiculed Day over his religion and tried to paint Harper as some sort of antichrist. Did any of the actual paid attack ads air outside of an election period? can't say for sure but probably.
Link? I certainly don't recall that and I'm fairly sure it would've made national headlines if you compared someone to the KKK....
I remember the Liberals attacking Manning, Day and Harper outside of elections. They compared Manning to the KKK, ridiculed Day over his religion and tried to paint Harper as some sort of antichrist. Did any of the actual paid attack ads air outside of an election period? can't say for sure but probably.
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