Justin Trudeau running for Liberal leadership

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I sir, am but a humble independent user on an internet forum, not a national political party of whom I would expect a modicum of decorum.

Call me old fashioned, but I remember when parties would release media touting the strength of their platforms and positions, rather than lambasting the weaknesses of their opponents.

You mean like the Wildrose Platforms of past elections... right?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Identifying where that soft Conservative support is, and how to turn it to soft Liberal support is will be extremely difficult.

Soft conservative support: people whose values are closer to the Liberal party, but wanted to punish them for the sponsorship scandal. Perhaps a decade out of power is enough.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

You mean like the Wildrose Platforms of past elections... right?

I'm pretty sure the Wildrose doesn't have any platforms, just a bunch of individual member ideologies and a half-hearted idea for things mumbled into their shoes.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

He's given some pretty good ammo on multiple occasions especially in French Language interviews.

While Harper is not perfect, he's probably one of the most devious political operators that this country has seen on a similar level with Dick Cheney.

FYP

And for what it's worth, I agree with LIP MAN. You're hatred of anything and everything Trudeau related verges on the pathological.

It's unflattering on you.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by SebC

Soft conservative support: people whose values are closer to the Liberal party, but wanted to punish them for the sponsorship scandal. Perhaps a decade out of power is enough.

That's by far the most likely next power change in Canada, imo. I'm hopeful it happens after Justin "Great Hair" Trudeau gets knifed from leadership in great Liberal party backroom tradition though.

That is unless Mulcair's "New Labour" thing works out, which I doubt.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SebC

Soft conservative support: people whose values are closer to the Liberal party, but wanted to punish them for the sponsorship scandal. Perhaps a decade out of power is enough.

That depends. Which Liberal party are we talking about? The fiscally conservativesque Chretien/Martin Liberals? The Green Party wannabe Dion Liberals or the NDP wannabe Ignatief Liberals?

The Liberal Party itself has no real idea what it stands for. Figuring that out will go a long way to determining their electability.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

FYP

And for what it's worth, I agree with LIP MAN. You're hatred of anything and everything Trudeau related verges on the pathological.

It's unflattering on you.

Umm didn't you do the same thing with Harper in your post, comparing him to Dick Cheney?

Sticks and Stones my friend.


I don't hate Trudeau at all, I don't respect him, and I thought his old man was incredibly destructive. I don't think Justin is all that worthy.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That depends. Which Liberal party are we talking about? The fiscally conservativesque Chretien/Martin Liberals? The Green Party wannabe Dion Liberals or the NDP wannabe Ignatief Liberals?

The Liberal Party itself has no real idea what it stands for. Figuring that out will go a long way to determining their electability.

You'll have to explain how the Ignatief was an NDP-wannabe, because the way I see it, Ignatief was a move back to the centre after Dion shifted the party left.

[GGG]

All Trudeau needs to do to win is copy the conservative economic plan and get rid of the stupidity of

- crime omnibus
- anti science
- anti stats can

Also coming out being less pro military would help him with the left.

Add a campaign of raising corporate tax .5% and make a new top tax bracket for those earning 250k or more and spending it on new programs

Buy doing this you win back the people who want economic conservatism but without the boogie man, and you chip away at the left buy taxing the "elite" and you never say anything else about any other issue other than that you will never privatize health care like the conservatives will.

[Daradon]

^^^ And stay away from misinforming electors at the next election...

Forgot to mention that in my last post, another BIG 'conservative boogyman' thing that the party is guilty of. To what extent still needs to be figured out, but really not buying the lone gunman theory. That's always the explanation in these scandals. Some staffer takes the fall.

BS.

Circumventing democracy. That's a HUGE issue. And regardless of whether or not it does go very high, the CPC has to take some blame for it. This is not a small thing at all.

[Matty81]

Trudeau is goofy but this latest round of attack ads are scummy, even by normal attack ad standards. Making fun of the guy for taking part in a charity bachelor auction? Or his past job as a teacher? Has Harper ever even had a real job?

I know this is a Flames board and Alberta is Conservative ground zero but I think if people are able to look at these ads with any objectivity they are just cheap shots, which is really sad, because the guy has so many angles you could legitimately attack him on and you make fun of him for his behaviour trying to raise money for people with Liver disease?

Just when you think politics couldn't sink any lower. Anything to win I guess. At least maybe its a couple less "economic action plan" ads paid for with my tax dollars I'll have to watch.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Trudeau is goofy but this latest round of attack ads are scummy, even by normal attack ad standards. Making fun of the guy for taking part in a charity bachelor auction? Or his past job as a teacher? Has Harper ever even had a real job?

I know this is a Flames board and Alberta is Conservative ground zero but I think if people are able to look at these ads with any objectivity they are just cheap shots, which is really sad, because the guy has so many angles you could legitimately attack him on and you make fun of him for his behaviour trying to raise money for people with Liver disease?

Just when you think politics couldn't sink any lower. Anything to win I guess. At least maybe its a couple less "economic action plan" ads paid for with my tax dollars I'll have to watch.

Not to mention the "Quebecer" quote was from nearly 15 years ago. Is that seriously the best the Conservatives can do? Pretty pathetic stuff.

[mustache ride]

It would be easier to attack his record if he had one

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not to mention the "Quebecer" quote was from nearly 15 years ago. Is that seriously the best the Conservatives can do? Pretty pathetic stuff.

I think that was cut from him paraphrasing something his Dad said and not even his own words.

I have to admit I personally find some things about Trudeau irritating but this kind of stuff makes me really grind my teeth.

[Daradon]

^^^ Yup, you have it right.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Umm didn't you do the same thing with Harper in your post, comparing him to Dick Cheney?

Sticks and Stones my friend.


I don't hate Trudeau at all, I don't respect him, and I thought his old man was incredibly destructive. I don't think Justin is all that worthy.

You're right. I did that. In a single post. How many Trudeau rants have you made in this thread alone?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SebC

You'll have to explain how the Ignatief was an NDP-wannabe, because the way I see it, Ignatief was a move back to the centre after Dion shifted the party left.

Oh, you know, the whole plan to reintroduce the $6 billion in business tax cuts the government made so he could pay for his the-state-knows-better-than-you-how-to-raise-your-kids universal day care plan. Though you are right in that he did come back to the right in some aspects. Such as the lip service he payed re: environmentalism and the energy sector. So perhaps it is unfair to state that he was NDPesque overall, but his policies were all over the map, again indicating a party that had no clue what it actually stood for.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So perhaps it is unfair to state that he was NDPesque overall, but his policies were all over the map, again indicating a party that had no clue what it actually stood for.

Or a pragmatic party that isn't slavishly devoted to the dogma of one particular ideology?

[Tinordi]

Liberals up 20 points to 41, cpc 30, ndp 19.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Liberals up 20 points to 41, cpc 30, ndp 19.

It's still the Honeymoon.