[PGT] Canucks (4) @ Flames (1)

[craig.caulks]

Originally Posted by calgarybean

Reinhart in the line up makes me a wee bit nostalgic.

Really?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Barca

Here's the Canuck's core players. If that's an aging team then you can say that for just about every team in the NHL. Also, the Sedins take care of themselves really well, I can easily see another good 4-5 years from them.

Sedins (31) Kesler (27) Burrows (31) Bieksa (31) Garrison (27) Hamhuis (29) Edler (26) Schneider (26)

Don't worry about the Canucks cap issues, we have a capologist whose a genius at making everyone fit under the cap.

If we cant keep everyone, we'll simply buyout Booth and Ballard plus Luongo gone next summer = 15m of cap space freed up.

Also Alberts 1.2m will be gone, Derek Roy 5m that give us 21m.

The Canucks have no cap issues.

I wish to learn more about this mystical wizard employed by the Nucks who can manipulate and alter the rules of mathematics.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by craig.caulks

Really?

Or, you know, the team where he played 80% of his career.

[AC]

Originally Posted by craig.caulks

Really?

Yes, Paul Reinhart was a Flame... I'm not sure what you're trying to prove exactly, but it's dumb.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

...Canucks aren't going to nosedive just yet. They still have a couple more competitive seasons left in them.

I disagree. They are a middle-of-the-pack offensive team, but still a top-five defensive team, and they have progressively been slipping in these critical statistical categories. In a year in which there are 20 + 1.00 point/game scoring forwards, the Canucks don't have a single one on their roster.

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think the biggest question mark revolves around Kesler. Can he be that strong 2-way presence any longer and stay healthy? Sedins.. what do you do with them when they start sliding? Tough to try and make a 'deadline deal' when that time comes for a team adding 2 highly-priced vets. Pittsburgh was an aberration in that department this year...

The Sedins are clearly not the same players they were three or four years ago. They have definitely taken steps back in the past two seasons, and even if Kesler does manage to stay healthy and rediscover his strong two-way game, this is quickly becoming a team with an average top line. They will likely win home-ice advantage again this year, but I would not be at all surprised to see them become a bubble team as early as next season. The Canucks realistically have this year and next to make another charge, but even these must now be considered long shots.

[craig.caulks]

Originally Posted by AC

Yes, Paul Reinhart was a Flame... I'm not sure what you're trying to prove exactly, but it's dumb.

I wasn't trying to prove anything. I thought it was a pretty benign, light-hearted jab. My apologies for offending 2 of you so far.

Plus I wanted to give some basis for people "hating" Canucks fans. I wouldn't want anyone wasting their lives or energy hating for no reason. There are far better things to be doing. Just a bit of free advice.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by craig.caulks

There are far better things to be doing. Just a bit of free advice.

Things like posting on an opposing fanbase's forum.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Really, things for the Canucks do NOT look very good at all over the next few years. The window is closed.

I would say this is their last kick at it. If they can't surprise everyone this year, they're toast. After this, the Sedins, as you mention, are going to regress, their D will be in their prime, but the top 6 forwards will be starting to reach the age where they're looking at the back 9.

And, given how even the Flames keep up with them for 40-50 minutes a night...

It may be possible that they could adopt a more defensive system and work around their strengths for a couple years past that, but that would require a really tough, defensive system...and need AV gone as coach of the Canucks.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Here's hoping in a year or two that the Vancouver expats in Calgary will begin slipping off the bandwagon soon, and we will no longer have to listen to the insufferable "LOOUUUUUUUU" chant at the Dome.

I know I shouldn't even joke about this, but...: You won't have to if Feaster trades for him

[sun]

Hate losing to this stupid team and its ####ty fans.

[FAN]

I think the Canucks' window as Cup contenders is closing, but I think they will remain competitive for a couple more years. They are in trouble as far as having to replace the Sedins as top line players down the line, but I give Mike Gillis credit for keeping the team competitive through his free agent signings. The defense would have been a disaster if Gillis didn't trade for Ehrhoff, and sign Hamhuis, Garrison, and Tanev. Given that Gillis has failed big time in drafting and developing his own defensemen, it's good that he's managed to sign some good ones.

I find the Canucks situation to be a little bit hard to assess due to their GM. On the one hand I can see them having an eye towards the future trading Hodgson for Kassian (instead of an older guy) and acquiring David Booth and they haven't really traded draft picks for rentals. On the other hand, they were in on the Shane Doan and Ryan Clowe sweepstakes. Gillis is almost as inconsistent as Feaster.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Barca

Here's the Canuck's core players. If that's an aging team then you can say that for just about every team in the NHL. Also, the Sedins take care of themselves really well, I can easily see another good 4-5 years from them.

Sedins (31) Kesler (27) Burrows (31) Bieksa (31) Garrison (27) Hamhuis (29) Edler (26) Schneider (26)

Don't worry about the Canucks cap issues, we have a capologist whose a genius at making everyone fit under the cap.

If we cant keep everyone, we'll simply buyout Booth and Ballard plus Luongo gone next summer = 15m of cap space freed up.

Also Alberts 1.2m will be gone, Derek Roy 5m that give us 21m.

The Canucks have no cap issues.

All that talent and no Cups to show for it. Your time has passed and your best chance was against the Bruins and they blew it! Surely you remember Luongo saying "Anything in the blue paint is an easy save for me"

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

"It's not hard if you're playing in the paint. It's an easy save for me, but if you're wandering out and aggressive like he does, that's going to happen. He might make some saves that I won't, but in a case like that, we want to take advantage of a bounce like that and make sure we're in a good position to bury those."

Well not quite...

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by craig.caulks

I wasn't trying to prove anything. I thought it was a pretty benign, light-hearted jab. My apologies for offending 2 of you so far.

Plus I wanted to give some basis for people "hating" Canucks fans. I wouldn't want anyone wasting their lives or energy hating for no reason. There are far better things to be doing. Just a bit of free advice.

Well.. no reason? It's very easy to hate the Canucks when the ######baggery of their on ice product is rivaled by the actions and ######baggedness of their fans.

[neo45]

Tanguay has to go before the rest of the league knows how bad he has gotten

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by neo45

Tanguay has to go before the rest of the league knows how bad he has gotten

Trust me, they do. I think the team should just buy him out at the end of the year.

[t0rrent98]

I'm not sure if you noticed, but one of the PP units had Baertschi, Backlund, Horak, Brodie and Gio. That looks like our future there.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree. They are a middle-of-the-pack offensive team, but still a top-five defensive team, and they have progressively been slipping in these critical statistical categories. In a year in which there are 20 + 1.00 point/game scoring forwards, the Canucks don't have a single one on their roster.


The Sedins are clearly not the same players they were three or four years ago. They have definitely taken steps back in the past two seasons, and even if Kesler does manage to stay healthy and rediscover his strong two-way game, this is quickly becoming a team with an average top line. They will likely win home-ice advantage again this year, but I would not be at all surprised to see them become a bubble team as early as next season. The Canucks realistically have this year and next to make another charge, but even these must now be considered long shots.

The above sounds a lot like Oiler fans talking about the flames in 2007. Five seasons later and we're at the bottom. The Canucks will be fine for awhile.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I really hope Roman Horak is here to stay for good. I thought he was very good last night.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Brodie played 26:00.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Good effort, just need to mature and add more skill.

Brodie, Backlund, Horak, Reinhart, Sven, Cervenka are 6 good young guns positioned to be here next year.

Cervenka not as young but he's basically part of the young guns, really like where his game going, lets re-sign him.

We know Gio and Glencross aren't going no where. Just 12 more spots to fill and we're set.

Didn't notice Jones too much, how was he?

Please people, can we just not use the young guns term again, ever. Do not associate this team with that team, no matter how bad they are.