Man sexually assaulted by four women

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Maybe but I doubt I'm wrong.

No, without doubt you're 100% wrong.

[Flame Of Liberty]

are people still crying because some dude got his junk grabbed by 4 fat broads?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

No, without doubt you're 100% wrong.

Actually, there is a lot of doubt as the police have not released specifics on the alleged offences.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Why?

Because, assuming he didn't have a knife held to his throat or a dildo stuck where the sun don't shine, assuming one or more of the lasses (presumably only 2 of them as 2 were in the front seats) grabbed him and forced a kiss on him, possibly pulled out a breast or squeezed his junk before, after a minute or two at most, according to the report, kicked him out when he didn't want to play, I do not think its that traumatic.

[pylon]

I can't remember the comedian but it was along the lines of "It is impossible to rape a man. Have you ever tried playing pool with a rope?"

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by pylon

I can't remember the comedian but it was along the lines of "It is impossible to rape a man. Have you ever tried playing pool with a rope?"

This assumes that the penis responds only when the brain is happy. If some burly man came along, tied you up and started playing with your junk, it will become aroused even if you didn't want it to.

Try this on on for size. Based in different studies, between 5% and 20% of raped women admit to having an orgasm during the attack.

What the physical body does doesn't relate the emotional traumatization.

[Plett25]

nm

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Actually, there is a lot of doubt as the police have not released specifics on the alleged offences.

Which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Because, assuming he didn't have a knife held to his throat or a dildo stuck where the sun don't shine, assuming one or more of the lasses (presumably only 2 of them as 2 were in the front seats) grabbed him and forced a kiss on him, possibly pulled out a breast or squeezed his junk before, after a minute or two at most, according to the report, kicked him out when he didn't want to play, I do not think its that traumatic.

The association of Alberta Sexual Assult Services disagrees with you:

MYTH: Guys can't be sexually assaulted.
REALITY: Men can be, and are, sexually assaulted every day. It can happen to any guy, regardless of his sexual orientation, size, strength, appearance, occupation, race or culture. It happens at home, at work, in locker rooms and in cars -- just about anywhere a perpetrator thinks he can get away with it. It's not unusual for a male victim to "freeze" out of shock or fear of physical harm. Few, if any, guys have ever considered the possibility of such a thing happening, and are therefore totally unprepared.

Then it becomes traumatic......

Most guys who experience sexual assault choose never to reveal it, even to people they know and trust. They fear being disbelieved, ridiculed, shamed, accused of weakness, ignored or, in the case of heterosexual men, being perceived as gay.

Worst of all, male survivors fear being blamed for their own attack because they were not "manly" or "macho" enough to protect themselves or prevent it.

For all of these reasons, many guys who survive sexual abuse or sexual assault endure their traumatic experience silently and alone.

http://aasas.ca/index.php/main/page/...09-22-13-09-48

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Dion

The association of Alberta Sexual Assult Services disagrees with you:



Then it becomes traumatic......



http://aasas.ca/index.php/main/page/...09-22-13-09-48

There's also the aspect of trying to defend yourself from a female attacker. This story is likely spun a lot differently if this guy decks a couple of the girls and takes off.

[afc wimbledon]

MYTH: Guys can't be sexually assaulted.
REALITY: Men can be, and are, sexually assaulted every day. It can happen to any guy, regardless of his sexual orientation, size, strength, appearance, occupation, race or culture. It happens at home, at work, in locker rooms and in cars -- just about anywhere a perpetrator thinks he can get away with it. It's not unusual for a male victim to "freeze" out of shock or fear of physical harm. Few, if any, guys have ever considered the possibility of such a thing happening, and are therefore totally unprepared. Then it becomes traumatic......


Quote:
Most guys who experience sexual assault choose never to reveal it, even to people they know and trust. They fear being disbelieved, ridiculed, shamed, accused of weakness, ignored or, in the case of heterosexual men, being perceived as gay.

Worst of all, male survivors fear being blamed for their own attack because they were not "manly" or "macho" enough to protect themselves or prevent it.

For all of these reasons, many guys who survive sexual abuse or sexual assault endure their traumatic experience silently and alone.



If you read your own quotes carefully you will realise they are both specifically talking about male on male sexual assault

[Ped]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you read your own quotes carefully you will realise they are both specifically talking about male on male sexual assault

And if you'd actually followed the link to you know, kind of make sure you actually know what you're talking about, you'd realize that the website covers assault by males and females:

MYTH: Guys can't be sexually assaulted by women.
REALITY: Women can and do sexually abuse and assault men, but it rarely gets reported by the survivor. If you include emotional blackmail as a way of forcing a guy to submit to sexual assault, then the number of crimes greatly increases. Sexual assault of a guy by a female does not have to involve penile penetration; a female attacker can use sex toys or other foreign objects on an unwilling male. It's also not uncommon for males to experience involuntary erections during a sexual assault.
MYTH: Getting an erection or ejaculating during a sexual assault means the survivor "really wanted it" or even consented.
REALITY: This myth causes major issues of guilt and confusion for all male survivors. Physical stimulation can cause an erection whether the recipient wants it to happen or not. Pressure in the prostate gland can cause the same reaction. Having an erection or ejaculation is a normal, involuntary physiological response, and does not automatically equate with arousal -- or with consent. A male survivor may be bewildered or confused about his physiological response during the event, or may feel guilt or shame, and may therefore be inclined not to report it.
MYTH: If the perpetrator is a woman, a boy or teenager should consider himself to have been "initiated" into the exciting world of sex.
REALITY: No matter who provokes it -- a relative, babysitter, teacher, boss or other woman in a position of power or authority over a young male -- that kind of sexual experience is all about control and domination, not gratification and pleasure. Premature or forced sex causes confusion, anger, depression and other major psychological problems. To be used as a sexual object by a more powerful person is always abusive and traumatizing.

That's okay though. Go right on believing its not a big deal for guys.

The guy was probably asking for it anyway, getting in a vehicle with 4 women. He's to blame too.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

MYTH: Guys can't be sexually assaulted.
REALITY: Men can be, and are, sexually assaulted every day. It can happen to any guy, regardless of his sexual orientation, size, strength, appearance, occupation, race or culture. It happens at home, at work, in locker rooms and in cars -- just about anywhere a perpetrator thinks he can get away with it. It's not unusual for a male victim to "freeze" out of shock or fear of physical harm. Few, if any, guys have ever considered the possibility of such a thing happening, and are therefore totally unprepared. Then it becomes traumatic......


Quote:
Most guys who experience sexual assault choose never to reveal it, even to people they know and trust. They fear being disbelieved, ridiculed, shamed, accused of weakness, ignored or, in the case of heterosexual men, being perceived as gay.

Worst of all, male survivors fear being blamed for their own attack because they were not "manly" or "macho" enough to protect themselves or prevent it.

For all of these reasons, many guys who survive sexual abuse or sexual assault endure their traumatic experience silently and alone.



If you read your own quotes carefully you will realise they are both specifically talking about male on male sexual assault

No it doesn't - it's only your interpretation.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

MYTH: Guys can't be sexually assaulted.
REALITY: Men can be, and are, sexually assaulted every day. It can happen to any guy, regardless of his sexual orientation, size, strength, appearance, occupation, race or culture. It happens at home, at work, in locker rooms and in cars -- just about anywhere a perpetrator thinks he can get away with it. It's not unusual for a male victim to "freeze" out of shock or fear of physical harm. Few, if any, guys have ever considered the possibility of such a thing happening, and are therefore totally unprepared. Then it becomes traumatic......


Quote:
Most guys who experience sexual assault choose never to reveal it, even to people they know and trust. They fear being disbelieved, ridiculed, shamed, accused of weakness, ignored or, in the case of heterosexual men, being perceived as gay.

Worst of all, male survivors fear being blamed for their own attack because they were not "manly" or "macho" enough to protect themselves or prevent it.

For all of these reasons, many guys who survive sexual abuse or sexual assault endure their traumatic experience silently and alone.



If you read your own quotes carefully you will realise they are both specifically talking about male on male sexual assault

So if it was four gay dudes who molested this guy (no penetration), you would still hold the same "it's not traumatic" stance, yes?

[afc wimbledon]

Oh well I guess we will have to agree to disagree, there is nothing you can post, and certainly nothing that suggests that 'emotional blackmail' is sexual assualt because it isn't and we all know it, christ the amount of times I gave an ex the odd mercy shag as they were weepy and upset, I'm supposed to feel violated now!

You guys want to think having a drunk chick grab your junk is in the same ballpark as being sodomised or gangraped and then dumped in an alley thats your call, personally I don't think its a big deal, lets leave it at that and all hope that this violent gang of sex offendors is caught and locked away for life before they grab someone elses junk and scar the poor ####### for life.

[ResAlien]

He seems to be the equivalent of Banky in Chasing Amy. He's steadfast that without penetration there is no issue.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You guys want to think having a drunk chick grab your junk is in the same ballpark as being sodomised or gangraped and then dumped in an alley thats your call, personally I don't think its a big deal.

I don't think anyone was saying that. Is this as big of a deal as rape? No. Is it still a big deal? Yes.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So if it was four gay dudes who molested this guy (no penetration), you would still hold the same "it's not traumatic" stance, yes?

On the whole the threat of violence that 4 dudes presents makes it a whole different ballgame. But assuming 4 drunk gay guys come up behind a guy and pinch his arse and call him cute on the street where he is obviously at no risk and it is obviously just a bit of drunken foolery then no I don't think it is traumatic unless you are a total homophobe, and even then I don't think should be seen as sexual assault although legally it is.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think anyone was saying that. Is this as big of a deal as rape? No. Is it still a big deal? Yes.

why, because he says so? or do we apply some objective form of assesment, yes was he penetrated, did he have to be restrained, was he physically hurt, does it seem reasonable that he was in fear for his life?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

On the whole the threat of violence that 4 dudes presents makes it a whole different ballgame. But assuming 4 drunk gay guys come up behind a guy and pinch his arse and call him cute on the street where he is obviously at no risk and it is obviously just a bit of drunken foolery then no I don't think it is traumatic unless you are a total homophobe, and even then I don't think should be seen as sexual assault although legally it is.

Congrats on moving the goalposts yet again. How exactly are you qualified to judge what constitutes a traumatic event for someone else? The aspect of trauma shouldn't even be the main argument here. Equality under the law is. There are plenty of sexual offences that can be committed that may or may not cause the victim trauma (voyeurism, exhibitionism, etc.). Should we just ignore those as well?