Is that a missile in your pocket or wait its a missile

[karl262]

China is going to attack North Korea any day now...

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Quebecers certainly haven't been indoctrinated to resent, distrust and hate the rest of Canada.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Well if it does come to blows I hope the Ryugyong tower in Pyongyang gets spared, it's actually starting to grow on me with its glazing now:


Tramway Passing In Front Of Ryugyong Hotel, Pyongyang, North Korea by Eric Lafforgue, on Flickr

It's where the nukes will be launched from. Shhhh.

[Ducay]

Those pics also show the sheer density of S.Korean population in Seoul and the surrounding cities.
Hence why any sort of open war between the two would end in some pretty serious civilian losses, given you've got 25MM people within an hour of the border. Even the junkiest N.Korea missiles have that range, and who cares about accuracy when you're just lobbing them at dense cities.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Those pics also show the sheer density of S.Korean population in Seoul and the surrounding cities.
Hence why any sort of open war between the two would end in some pretty serious civilian losses, given you've got 25MM people within an hour of the border. Even the junkiest N.Korea missiles have that range, and who cares about accuracy when you're just lobbing them at dense cities.

Missiles aren't even needed...NK has embedded enormous artillery ?battalions? Within range of Seoul. You can bet they have chemical munitions as well.

There is no doubt that any open conflict would have a major spasm of carnage at the outset before those guns could be silenced.

[polak]

Anyone else starting to think they might actually do it? Not just a test but actually start a war with the South?

China closing it's border, The Ambassador leaving the UK, Warning to forigeners? I know it could all be show boating but I dunno, my gut is starting to make me think otherwise.

[Plett25]

Does anyone know if the Chinese concept of "face" is also a Korean thing?

If so, makes the situation worse.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by polak

Anyone else starting to think they might actually do it? Not just a test but actually start a war with the South?

China closing it's border, The Ambassador leaving the UK, Warning to forigeners? I know it could all be show boating but I dunno, my gut is starting to make me think otherwise.

I'm starting to think so too.

I really hope that America and South Korea unleash hell on the North before they get the chance to attack though.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Does anyone know if the Chinese concept of "face" is also a Korean thing?

If so, makes the situation worse.

It's a diplomatic thing regardless of nation. No country wants to look like they relented.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by polak

Anyone else starting to think they might actually do it? Not just a test but actually start a war with the South?

Nope. Not deliberately, with forethought. They may get one by miscalculation. You get the sense the South is just itching for the North to lob some shells over the border and that they'll come back hard this time.

The North exists only because China wants it to exist. The Chinese could squeeze the North into a bloody change of government without setting foot across the border.

With China increasingly dependent on its position within a stable global community, they are signalling this isn't as much fun for them as it used to be.

The more you draw China into the world of nations, the less likely North Korea continues to exist in its present form. China simply can't afford this crap.

My two cents.

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Missiles aren't even needed...NK has embedded enormous artillery ?battalions? Within range of Seoul. You can bet they have chemical munitions as well.

There is no doubt that any open conflict would have a major spasm of carnage at the outset before those guns could be silenced.

11,600 artillary pieces are tasked on Seoul alone, these range from long range mortars to portable guns to fixed place howitzers. They are segmented in administrative batteries of 6 to 8 scattered to hell and back based on range

So you have Roughly 1450 distinctive batteries arrayed all over the place.

some hardened some mobile, the tasking to take them out is the next to impossible task, especially if you wanted to strike before they were used.

Plus the one area that North Korea has spent lavish amounts of hard currency on since the first Desert Storm is in missile based air defenses and you can bet that the fight to get through that to the artillery would be costly.

On top of that NK has what is probably the largest stock pile of Chemical Weapons on the planet ranging from Mustard Gas to Sarin, and if their artillery starts getting chopped down they will use it on soft civilian targets and key road ways and logistics points.

Its an ugly dooms day scenario if the balloon ever goes up.

[CaptainCrunch]

One of the best movie lines that I've every heard that reflects to the true nature of how war starts came from the Hunt for Red October where a mid air collision between Russian and American fighters leads to an air craft crashing on the deck of the carrier

Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Well if it does come to blows I hope the Ryugyong tower in Pyongyang gets spared, it's actually starting to grow on me with its glazing now:


Tramway Passing In Front Of Ryugyong Hotel, Pyongyang, North Korea by Eric Lafforgue, on Flickr

The exterior is finished, the interior is still lacking, its basically a big 3G phone tower

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's a diplomatic thing regardless of nation. No country wants to look like they relented.

Not all countries/cultures weight it the same.

[FireFly]

I keep coming here mostly because I love the thread title. Well done, Cap'n.

[me_dennis]

i might be heading to Seoul in September, but with all this news about possible attack, should I reconsider?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by me_dennis

i might be heading to Seoul in September, but with all this news about possible attack, should I reconsider?

I'd get cancellation insurance

[karl262]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I'd get cancellation insurance

Maybe life insurance too

[Ozy_Flame]

Jokes aside, I'd say it's probably still fine as the chances of NK doing anything to Seoul are slim. But I would register with the Government (Foreign Affairs) that you will be in Seoul during that time. If anything happens they will track you down and help you get out of there ASAP.

[polak]

I'd recommend staying south of Seoul