[GT] Flames @ Avalanche

[Vox]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I guess on a 3rd line going forward at about half the salary he could be a possibility. Super overpaid this year and way too inconsistent and soft in his own zone to be counted on as anything more than than 3rd line IMO.

1st and 2nd line ice should go to Backlund and our draft pick (assuming we get Barkov or MacKinnon) and I'd rather see Reinhart or Horak to round out the top 3. If we end up with a non-centre like Jones, Drouin or slip out of the top 4 and get somebody worse who will need another year in junior then I'm OK to bring him back.

Keep in mind his salary is only $925,000 this year - the rest is bonuses. He probably won't be getting the bonuses.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by moon

That was an awful play by the Avs defencemen and a weak effort from bad goalie.

Thee was nothing nice about it and an easy clearance for non-Avs teams.

I think you're capable of more. Don't let me down.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

There is no way Colorado is trying to win these games.

No team can be this bad. They make us look like the '95 devils in the d-zone in comparison. It upsets me how bad they are. It's pathetic to watch.

When you thought getting to 30th overall is idiotproof, the Avs have successfully built a better idiot.

[St. Pats]

Only one team looking to next year and beyond in this game. Avs playing at half pace at best. I know the high on their horses type don't like it but winning games now is detrimental to the future.

[18flames]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

Are you a bad fan if you think short term pain for long term gain is preferable to sucking in perpetuity? If so I guess I'm a bad fan.

I don't care if my team sucks every year, doesn't matter, every game you should be hoping for a win and just live with any results win or loss.

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I know we suck, but no need to underrate the guys we do have.

I do t think saying he has been a decent number 4 for us is underrating him.

And he hasn't got better every game as he has struggled since Bouw left and more has been asked if him. Was pretty weak when moved up with Bouw as well.

[Tinordi]

Agreed with Moon, Brodie does not look great. He looks like how he's projected a career #4 defenceman.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Only til the end of this season. The thought of MacKinnon or Jones (despite the fact that I know literally nothing about either prospect, other than the fact that everyone's talking about them) being drafted by the Flames is just too awesome. We need a top 2 pick, it would be so valuable for this franchise.

Haha ya that's more like it.

The way I see it, we are pretty much a lock for top 3 pick. I just can't bring myself to cheer for a loss- I think they can handle it without my help

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Only one team looking to next year and beyond in this game. Avs playing at half pace at best. I know the high on their horses type don't like it but winning games now is detrimental to the future.

We're getting a top 3 pick. We aren't beating 90% of the rest of our schedule, everyone needs to beat us to get into the playoffs. Couple urgency with vastly more talented rosters, and we will not be winning more than 2 games the rest f the way, and that includes a possible W tonight.

But it will be alright. I promise.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by moon

That was an awful play by the Avs defencemen and a weak effort from bad goalie.

Thee was nothing nice about it and an easy clearance for non-Avs teams.

Every nice play is only a result of a bad play on the other team. Jesus, man. Every breakaway, one time and deke. Every freaking time. Most people who cheer for the flames like to focus on the good things they do. Not moon.

/ignore

[moon]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Well I don't know what game moon is watching but outside of a couple brain farts in the second,that was a pretty fun period to watch. Couple goals, good back and forth and a decent pace.

I, for one, am entertained.

Not sure what that post had to do with what I posted but this is a pretty awfully played game.

Watch a replay if the Kings-Blackhawks game from a week ago or the Kings-Ducks game last night and you will see good back and forth hockey from teams that actually know how to play the game.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Haha ya that's more like it.

The way I see it, we are pretty much a lock for top 3 pick. I just can't bring myself to cheer for a loss- I think they can handle it without my help

Alright fair enough. Sooooooooo, party like rockstars this weekend?

[Jets4Life]

If I were GM, I would be irate at the Flames players. What Kipper needs to do is surrender 3 soft goals, and have the rest of the team mail it in. The Flames need that #1 Overall pick!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by moon

I do t think saying he has been a decent number 4 for us is underrating him.

And he hasn't got better every game as he has struggled since Bouw left and more has been asked if him. Was pretty weak when moved up with Bouw as well.

He's 22. Considering where's he's at now relative to his draft position, I don't know why you'd think he's finished developing.

Some bad moments that every young player has aside, who's more composed with the puck on our defence than Brodie? Include Bouw in this conversation as well.

He's got the skillset. And from what I've seen on the ice, more desire to be better than almost every other player on the roster. And that's the sort of stuff I need from the captain.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Every nice play is only a result of a bad play on the other team. Jesus, man. Every breakaway, one time and deke. Every freaking time. Most people who cheer for the flames like to focus on the good things they do. Not moon.

/ignore

Holy overreaction.

Feel free to ignore I will be so disappointed to know you won't be reading my posts.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't think it should be talent level either but a second year guy that has been alright and not shown anything in ice to deserve it not likely a good choice.

Maybe he is amazing in the room but guys with his age/experience usually aren't captains unless exceptional for a reason.

Again though, there is nobody on our roster proving they deserve it. I wouldn't choose Brodie as captain because I like the way he has progressed and I would rather not heap a bunch of pressure on him when we know we will suck anyway. That being said, its not entirely unreasonable that he is suggested as captain since he has been one of the most consistent performers we have had this season.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Hair bleach and Vodka

Hmm? I thought it was mostly bonus laden? Or are you referring to the overall caphit?

Yep I just reviewed the actual qualifications for his 2.7 million in bonuses and you and Vox are right, he won't achieve any. For some reason I thought they were pretty modest but 20 goals, 35 assists and top 6 forward in ice time among others, even pro-rated not going to happen.

[Hair bleach and Vodka]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

If I were GM, I would be irate at the Flames players. What Kipper needs to do is surrender 3 soft goals, and have the rest of the team mail it in. The Flames need that #1 Overall pick!

Well unless Kipper jedi mind rapes Joey Mac.. that prolly ain't gonna happen. He's on the bench.

[moon]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He's 22. Considering where's he's at now relative to his draft position, I don't know why you'd think he's finished developing.

Some bad moments that every young player has aside, who's more composed with the puck on our defence than Brodie? Include Bouw in this conversation as well.

I think he has done great for his draft position and never said he is done developing either. I just said he has been fine as a number 4 and over his head when asked to do more.

I would say Bouw and Gio much more composed with the puck which should be expected.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hair bleach and Vodka

I think Cervenka is worth another shake. He's had a lot to deal with this season. Injuries, newborn baby, culture shift, new language, new ice size, the list goes on and on. I hope we bring him back and he can be a big help to this rebuilding team. He's got well above average vision and some very slick mitts--totally worth investing our time into.

For Cervenka to be re-signed the flames are going to have to move a couple of players. Not sure the flames will be able to move the players they want to. Have to think the flames will sign an RFA or sign a ufa this off season. Does not leave a lot of room for a soft player like Cervenka.