Dreger: Kiprusoff to not move, retire at end of the season

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Fyp

Get real people.

So he didn't win the Vezina, Jennings and set a modern record for best GAA?
He didn't become the Flames all time leader in wins?
He didn't become the 27th goalie in NHL history to win 300 games?
He isn't regarded as the greatest Finnish goaltender of all time?

I get why people are crapping on Kipper but to ignore the things he has done for us just because of this situation is stupid.

[badradio]

Originally Posted by l33t_hax0r

FYI - his no movement clause expired last season.

Oh... damn... well that changes things a bit...

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Except it doesn't matter what he wants, the Calgary Flames have every right to trade him, IF they have a team interested. No team is going to give up assets when there is a rumor floating that he will quit if traded. That's how the rumor sabotaged his trade potential.

He had no trade potential if he was going to retire anyway.

Scenario 1: Kipper says he'll retire if traded. Doesn't get traded. Retires.

Scenario 2: Kipper doesn't say he'll retire if traded. Gets traded. Retires. Deal is nullified. Doesn't get traded after all. Retires anyway.

Same result, but one way is a lot messier. I'm not sure why anyone would think that there was ever another outcome, especially the way that his contract was structured.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Sorry, just don't agree with the idea that if someone wants to boo Kipper because he went against the best interest of the team he is automatically an idiot.

When it's based entirely on assumption and conjecture, it certainly is.

[puckluck2]

Kipper can do whatever he wants, he's earned it.

[robmneilson]

I can't say I blame him, just had a kid...why should he uproot his life. I'm sure he wants a cup, but his family is probably more important to him at this stage. I wish he didn't suck so badly this season, but it's not like he had much of a team in front of him.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Rhett Warrener just called into the guys on 960 and told them this after having a conversation with Kiprusoff about 2 hours ago as they were leaving the dome after RW's morning show appearance...

Basically Kiprusoff is not likely going anywhere not because he doesnt necessarily want to, but because he isnt sure he has "it" anymore (and yes family/home issues as well at the moment). In fact it was insinuated by Warrener that Kiprusoff likely turned down an extension from Toronto that would of been "a lot" of money, because he isnt sure he would live up to the level of pay and was concerned he wouldnt earn whatever the compensation was. This is why the retirement thing is so front and center...niot because he doesnt want to play, but because he isnt sure he is able to play at the level he expects of himself moving forward.

Sure sounds like a selfish dick now doesnt he?

Yet apparently he has no qualms taking the Flames money as he wrestles with his doubt.

Quit trying to paint him as some kind of hero.

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

He had no trade potential if he was going to retire anyway.

Scenario 1: Kipper says he'll retire if traded. Doesn't get traded. Retires.

Scenario 2: Kipper doesn't say he'll retire if traded. Gets traded. Retires. Deal is nullified. Doesn't get traded after all. Retires anyway.

Same result, but one way is a lot messier. I'm not sure why anyone would think that there was ever another outcome, especially the way that his contract was structured.

Someone actually brought this up, and apparently the consensus is that the NHL wouldn't nullify the deal. I think thats where the uncertainty comes to play.

I am not saying the Kipper wasn't a great goalie. Its been known for years that he is a little "different". Plus, even if he was to retire at the end of the season, some teams are willing to give up assets on a rental.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Rhett Warrener just called into the guys on 960 and told them this after having a conversation with Kiprusoff about 2 hours ago as they were leaving the dome after RW's morning show appearance...

Basically Kiprusoff is not likely going anywhere not because he doesnt necessarily want to, but because he isnt sure he has "it" anymore (and yes family/home issues as well at the moment). In fact it was insinuated by Warrener that Kiprusoff likely turned down an extension from Toronto that would of been "a lot" of money, because he isnt sure he would live up to the level of pay and was concerned he wouldnt earn whatever the compensation was. This is why the retirement thing is so front and center...niot because he doesnt want to play, but because he isnt sure he is able to play at the level he expects of himself moving forward.

Sure sounds like a selfish dick now doesnt he?

Thanks t99

Kiprusoff is a proud guy, can't fault him for that. Kiprusoff has done more for this organization then any other player the past decade, including Iginla. It sucks he declined with age and we never offered him the backup and defense to lighten his workload (forget the No 1 D travesty) ... dude's been a slave workhorse for this team that is too lazy to come back and play a little team defense. And never, ever have I ever heard him complain; and for all the bitching and moaning about no No 1 C for Iginla, the lack of team defense and lack of backup goaltender goes totally un-noticed as Kiprusoff slaved away from keeping us from total embarrassment the past few years. Its only when Kiprusoff play drops off slightly that we go from the middle of the standings straight to the bottom - that tells you how much he was bailing our sorry asses out. We as Flames fans owe the world to him.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Yet apparently he has no qualms taking the Flames money as he wrestles with his doubt.

Quit trying to paint him as some kind of hero.

It's done, get over it, crying about it isn't going to get a 3rd round pick

[photon]

Originally Posted by RT14

I'll admit I thought what he was doing was hurting the team and he should've just kept his mouth shut and moved wherever he was traded. Still do. Had he done that the Calgary Flames would have benefited and that's the only team most of us all care about.

But he hasn't opened his mouth (he hasn't said "I refuse to report") and he hasn't been traded, so it's still just speculation.

The only thing we do know is that Toronto was given permission to talk to Kipper, and Kipper said he's reluctant to sign an extension because he isn't convinced he could deliver on his end of the deal.

Originally Posted by RT14

Him questioning his ability shouldn't have cost the Flames a 2nd or 3rd round pick, should have cost the Leafs that.

Him questioning his ability impacts only 1 thing in this case; his decision if he wants to sign an extension. Which is his right. If Toronto decides that trading for Kipper is dependent on the extension, then that's Toronto's right.

I doubt you're saying that Kipper should have agreed to sign an extension even if he didn't want to just so the Flames could get a pick, but that's the only way that Kipper is "costing" the Flames a pick.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

What a collection of melo-dramatic teenage girls we have here.

Aside from a magical Stanley Cup run, all Miikka, Jarome et al have led the Flames into was mediocrity.

Please stop romantically referring to them as heroes. You dishonour real heroes.

You sure love referring to posters as babies and melodramatic teenage girls but you're always whining about something.

[V]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Can we just refer to them as the lunatic fringe? I don't think any reasonable people or fans are actually angry about this.

We'll see tonight. I'm hoping for a chorus of boos everytime Kipper touches the puck.

[RedMileDJ]

Where the heck is the ignore button!!??!?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Someone actually brought this up, and apparently the consensus is that the NHL wouldn't nullify the deal. I think thats where the uncertainty comes to play.

If a player officially retires before reporting to his new team the deal is voided. That scenario is spelled out in the NHL bylaws.

It he simply doesn't report without actually retiring, then it becomes a little more complicated.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I only went through the first 8 or so pages. These people above, and I'm sure there are plenty after, are disgusting. You have no concept of home-life and taking care of a family. You call yourselves Flames fans? Serious? You can't respect what Miikka has done for the Flames and the fact he wants to RETIRE as a Flame?

Lol that is what is getting everyone upset? Not even close to being disgusting or all that bad at all.

[BurningSteel]

His decision to stay in Calgary is medically related.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by badradio

Kipper never wanted to leave, he has a NTC, Feaster knew Kipper didn't want to leave, but he dangled him out there anyways... Should of just said Kipper was off the table and save everyone the mess... For people being mad at Kipper for this makes me question this fan base...

He does not have a NTC. This has been stated numerous times. Try to keep up.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Except it doesn't matter what he wants, the Calgary Flames have every right to trade him, IF they have a team interested. No team is going to give up assets when there is a rumor floating that he will quit if traded. That's how the rumor sabotaged his trade potential.

Jeezuz christ....if he wasnt going to sign an extension...he wasnt getting traded because the team that wanted him needed an extension agreement before tading for him.

Follow the logic here...its quite simple.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

Lol that is what is getting everyone upset? Not even close to being disgusting or all that bad at all.

I can't recall a thread with more overreaction from both sides. I feel like a bystander in the middle of a warzone reading this thread.