Dreger: Kiprusoff to not move, retire at end of the season

[JayFlowmeester]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I only went through the first 8 or so pages. These people above, and I'm sure there are plenty after, are disgusting. You have no concept of home-life and taking care of a family. You call yourselves Flames fans? Serious? You can't respect what Miikka has done for the Flames and the fact he wants to RETIRE as a Flame?

If he thinks he can't honor an extension and play up the level that would be expected of him, then good on him for being HONEST. Honest with himself, ownership, GMs and the fans. There aren't too many players like that these days.

I'm at a loss for words, but I'm sure others will agree with me. You're only upset because a trade didn't happen. Try to look at the big picture. Try to look at what has been accomplished and given by this great goaltender.

Go cheer for another team. No one wants your negativity around here.

Good for Kipper. Retire a Flames. I love it!

Being traded is part of the job, kid or no kid.

[Tinordi]

The fanbase is an angry stampede by this point no real channel or direction of the anger just the feeling of it finally setting in

Kipper is not the problem here people

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I only went through the first 8 or so pages. These people above, and I'm sure there are plenty after, are disgusting. You have no concept of home-life and taking care of a family. You call yourselves Flames fans? Serious? You can't respect what Miikka has done for the Flames and the fact he wants to RETIRE as a Flame?

If he thinks he can't honor an extension and play up the level that would be expected of him, then good on him for being HONEST. Honest with himself, ownership, GMs and the fans. There aren't too many players like that these days.

I'm at a loss for words, but I'm sure others will agree with me. You're only upset because a trade didn't happen. Try to look at the big picture. Try to look at what has been accomplished and given by this great goaltender.

Go cheer for another team. No one wants your negativity around here.

Good for Kipper. Retire a Flames. I love it!

Give me a break, I don't care if he has a family, to me he's just an asset. Get off your high horse.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by V

Seriously, just fantastic. The raving lunacy in this thread rivals the Canuck fanbase. So much fun to watch.

This thread has been a reminder that pretty much every fanbase is the same. Each have it share of good apples, and bitter ones.

I can understand the ones that don't like what Kipper did. But the ones who completely filped their respect for him I find are really over blowing the magnitude of this. Considering what he did for the franchise, and the honest return the Flames would get if they were to trade him, and it's something that's in the best interest of the Flames to respect Kipper wishes from a PR point. Especially when Flames integrity is in the basement of the league currently.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by V

We'll see tonight. I'm hoping for a chorus of boos everytime Kipper touches the puck.

That would be very unfortunate. I am not happy about this lack of trade, regardless of whatever flimsy PR excuse is given by Kipper, but nothing he may or may not have done here warrants him getting boo'd. This fanbase is definitely better than that, and I expect that they will show it tonight.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

Where the heck is the ignore button!!??!?

Go to User CP. Click on Edit Ignore List and type in the name of the user(s) you want to block. Don't see the point though. If you don't like the poster then i'd just scroll through their posts.

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Jeezuz christ....if he wasnt going to sign an extension...he wasnt getting traded because the team that wanted him needed an extension agreement before tading for him.

Follow the logic here...its quite simple.

I know that, but if the rumor had never come out, teams wouldn't have been worried about the extension. The rumor last week hurt the Flames. It may or may not be Kippers fault, I don't know.

[neo45]

Has it been brought up that Smithson was in the delivery room when he got the call that he was being traded today?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Joborule

This thread has been a reminder that pretty much every fanbase is the same. Each have it share of good apples, and bitter ones.

I can understand the ones that don't like what Kipper did. But the ones who completely filped their respect for him I find are really over blowing the magnitude of this. Considering what he did for the franchise, and the honest return the Flames would get if they were to trade him, and it's something that's in the best interest of the Flames to respect Kipper wishes from a PR point. Especially when Flames integrity is in the basement of the league currently.

And every fanbase is the same in thinking it's unique and 'better' than the others.

The amount of ridiculous baiting and laughing at the Oilers fans for cheering high draft picks should make some reflect on that same phenomenon happening here.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Give me a break, I don't care if he has a family, to me he's just an asset. Get off your high horse.

Ugh...

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Go to User CP. Click on Edit Ignore List and type in the name of the user(s) you want to block. Don't see the point though. If you don't like the poster then i'd just scroll through their posts.

To bad we don't have a "thumbs down button".

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Someone actually brought this up, and apparently the consensus is that the NHL wouldn't nullify the deal. I think thats where the uncertainty comes to play.

I am not saying the Kipper wasn't a great goalie. Its been known for years that he is a little "different". Plus, even if he was to retire at the end of the season, some teams are willing to give up assets on a rental.

I am pretty sure that if he retired immediately upon being traded, the league (and the other team involved) would have to get involved somehow. I think that it is much more ethical to be up front and say "yeah - I'll just pack it in before I'll uproot my family to be a rental, so don't bother trying to trade me."

Not knowing anything more about his personal life other than that he's already got kids, and the most recent had complications, being a playoff rental is probably the worst thing that could happen to him personally right now. And if he has reservations about signing an extension at his age because he's not sure he could live up to the expectations, then there really isn't anything to negotiate.

If faced with his (reported) options of uprooting and/or being away from his family for a few months under the circumstances, or getting an extension that he's not confident with, I'd pick retirement too.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by JayFlowmeester

Being traded is part of the job, kid or no kid.

So is retirement. Deal with it.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Give me a break, I don't care if he has a family, to me he's just an asset. Get off your high horse.

I'm with you on this one. Hockey is a business first and for fans that business is a good team. he's not helping us in that department right now.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I only went through the first 8 or so pages. These people above, and I'm sure there are plenty after, are disgusting. You have no concept of home-life and taking care of a family. You call yourselves Flames fans? Serious? You can't respect what Miikka has done for the Flames and the fact he wants to RETIRE as a Flame?

If he thinks he can't honor an extension and play up the level that would be expected of him, then good on him for being HONEST. Honest with himself, ownership, GMs and the fans. There aren't too many players like that these days.

I'm at a loss for words, but I'm sure others will agree with me. You're only upset because a trade didn't happen. Try to look at the big picture. Try to look at what has been accomplished and given by this great goaltender.

Go cheer for another team. No one wants your negativity around here.

Good for Kipper. Retire a Flames. I love it!

Save the drama for your mama.

The Miikka defenders are completely over the top.

[BurningSteel]

This thread needs a STFU button!

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by JayFlowmeester

Being traded is part of the job, kid or no kid.

That's why he's willing to retire from his job. That's the whole point.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I am pretty sure that if he retired immediately upon being traded, the league (and the other team involved) would have to get involved somehow. .

No.

The Leafs would have prior knowledge of the possibility of retirement and would have traded for him anyway.

Buyer beware.

Most likely, the Leafs would insist on the deal being conditional on Kiprusoff reporting and the Flames would likely agree that would be a reasonable condition. Or, they'd just ask him beforehand, which they evidently did, and he saves everyone a lot of trouble and says "no" ahead of time.

Cowperson

[Cheerio]

So Kiprusoff doesn't have the right to retire?

[RT14]

Originally Posted by photon

But he hasn't opened his mouth (he hasn't said "I refuse to report") and he hasn't been traded, so it's still just speculation.

The only thing we do know is that Toronto was given permission to talk to Kipper, and Kipper said he's reluctant to sign an extension because he isn't convinced he could deliver on his end of the deal.

Him questioning his ability impacts only 1 thing; his decision if he wants to sign an extension. Which is his right. If Toronto decides that trading for Kipper is dependent on the extension, then that's Toronto's right.

It became public knowledge that he had at the very least told Feaster that he needs to be confronted before any trade was made. If we knew that, the other 29 GM's had to have knows it as well. If you're another GM, without hearing that, why would you need to get a guaranteed extension when he's already signed for another year?

I would put good money on the extension requirement being a result of he and his agents requirements. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but that's how I see it right now.

I doubt you're saying that Kipper should have agreed to sign an extension even if he didn't want to just so the Flames could get a pick, but that's the only way that Kipper is "costing" the Flames a pick.

No I'm not saying that at all, you're right, sorry if I gave that impression. Just disagree on the first part which leads us to him having to speak to other teams GM's and explain himself in such a way. At this point, yes, I agree he shouldn't lie to other teams and give them the impression he'll sign long term only to retire.