Dreger: Kiprusoff to not move, retire at end of the season

[HPLovecraft]

Love Kipper, but this is a bit of a black mark on his record for me. Sutter and he clearly had this worked out from the beginning and it ties into why he won't report an where else. New GM, Kipper, your handshake deals should no longer apply. Hope he has a good sendoff, but any other player on any other team doing this and we'd be all over them.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Rhett Warrener just called into the guys on 960 and told them this after having a conversation with Kiprusoff about 2 hours ago as they were leaving the dome after RW's morning show appearance...

Basically Kiprusoff is not likely going anywhere not because he doesnt necessarily want to, but because he isnt sure he has "it" anymore (and yes family/home issues as well at the moment). In fact it was insinuated by Warrener that Kiprusoff likely turned down an extension from Toronto that would of been "a lot" of money, because he isnt sure he would live up to the level of pay and was concerned he wouldnt earn whatever the compensation was. This is why the retirement thing is so front and center...niot because he doesnt want to play, but because he isnt sure he is able to play at the level he expects of himself moving forward.

Sure sounds like a selfish dick now doesnt he?

From everything we have heard, it sounds like Toronto was the only team interested in Kiprusoff, and after this season, it is understandable that it could only be one team willing to give him a try.

So, if he was open to going to Toronto, but Toronto wanted to sign him after his current deal, but he wasn't so sure of his ability to be their guy after this year, or next year...

It has never been confirmed that he is rejecting a trade to stay at home with family. That was all speculated since his wife gave birth two weeks ago. It is likely a factor in his desire to remain in Calgary, but it isn't confirmed. All we have heard is that Toronto has been given permission to speak to him. Rhett now tells us that Kiprusoff isn't confident that he can be the player he wants to be, thus won't sign an extension with Toronto as he will likely retire this summer, or at the end of his current contract. Toronto therefore doesn't want him. Does that mean Kiprusoff is being selfish and self imposing a no trade clause?

Too many people are over reacting to speculation and not keeping an open mind to what the situation may really be.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

True, but this rumour getting out sabatoged his trade potential. What if any other player in the NHL without a NTC were to say they would rather retire than be traded to the Calgary Flames?

No it didnt. He was never going to be dealt if he didnt want to move. That would have come to light teh second an inquiring team asked for permission to talk with him and realized that he didnt want an extension.

[neo45]

If I were a player that valued privacy, like Kipper, the last place I would want to go is Toronto.


ESPECIALLY if I expected to underperform

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Everyone can handle this the way they want, just depends what you value more; players or team.

Good god, if one more person says that, I'm going to scream!

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I often say how proud I am to be a Flames fan. This thread is making me question that.

Kipper put this franchise on his back and now is being crucified for wanting to retire to spend time with his family. This was what was assumed would happen when the contract was signed and now people are mad because he doesn't want to play hockey anymore. He suffered an MCL injury and has a newborn going through extra issues this year. Are you really mad over missing out on a 3rd round draft pick in return for the best goalie our franchise has ever seen? If at your job you had one year left of work and they wanted to ship you to Toronto, wouldn't you consider retirement? I would.

Kipper was a soldier of Calgary. Honour him!

What a collection of melo-dramatic teenage girls we have here.

Aside from a magical Stanley Cup run, all Miikka, Jarome et al have led the Flames into was mediocrity.

Please stop romantically referring to them as heroes. You dishonour real heroes.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Rhett Warrener just called into the guys on 960 and told them this after having a conversation with Kiprusoff about 2 hours ago as they were leaving the dome after RW's morning show appearance...

Basically Kiprusoff is not likely going anywhere not because he doesnt necessarily want to, but because he isnt sure he has "it" anymore (and yes family/home issues as well at the moment). In fact it was insinuated by Warrener that Kiprusoff likely turned down an extension from Toronto that would of been "a lot" of money, because he isnt sure he would live up to the level of pay and was concerned he wouldnt earn whatever the compensation was. This is why the retirement thing is so front and center...niot because he doesnt want to play, but because he isnt sure he is able to play at the level he expects of himself moving forward.

Sure sounds like a selfish dick now doesnt he?

I'll admit I thought what he was doing was hurting the team and he should've just kept his mouth shut and moved wherever he was traded. Still do. Had he done that the Calgary Flames would have benefited and that's the only team most of us all care about.

Him questioning his ability shouldn't have cost the Flames a 2nd or 3rd round pick, should have cost the Leafs that.

That said, I admire him being able to recognize that in himself and acknowledge that signing a big long term contract is only going to bring misery for him and his family down the road. Just wish he had left all this on the Leafs to deal with. If he's going to retire in a month or two anyways, what difference does it make to him where he does it from?

It's not like he would've had to move his entire family there, he just had to go away on a work trip for a couple months at most. Do you know how many people do that EVERYDAY for A LOT less money?

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Good god, if one more person says that, I'm going to scream!

Sorry, just don't agree with the idea that if someone wants to boo Kipper because he went against the best interest of the team he is automatically an idiot.

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No it didnt. He was never going to be dealt if he didnt want to move. That would have come to light teh second an inquiring team asked for permission to talk with him and realized that he didnt want an extension.

Except it doesn't matter what he wants, the Calgary Flames have every right to trade him, IF they have a team interested. No team is going to give up assets when there is a rumor floating that he will quit if traded. That's how the rumor sabotaged his trade potential.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by swo2k1

All Kiprusoff has done for the last 9 seasons was win 3 playoff rounds in 2004.

Fyp

Get real people.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Why wouldn't Calgary just trade him if it weren't?

Lots of possible reasons, many have been listed. Having ANY possible reason makes the reasoning "Calgary hasn't traded Kipper therefore Kipper is blocking the trade by threatening to retire if he gets traded" flawed.

Despite the recent fashion of reacting to heresay and speculation, I still contend that it's not a good thing to do.

Originally Posted by Ark2

Why all this concern with who is allowed to speak with him?

Because a team acquiring him may not be interested in a rental and want to know if they have a good chance of signing him to an extension before agreeing to a trade.

Originally Posted by Ark2

He doesn't have a NTC, so if he was not threatening to not report and retire if traded, Feaster could do whatever he wants with him. Makes absolutely no sense to hold onto him at this point otherwise.

Feaster being 'able' to do what he wants with Kipper does not equate to wanting to do whatever he wants to do with Kipper, or that what Feaster wants necessarily equates to what you want.

The chain of reasoning is circular: Feaster hasn't traded Kipper because Kipper is blocking the trade, I know Kipper is blocking the trade because Feaster hasn't traded Kipper.

[badradio]

Kipper never wanted to leave, he has a NTC, Feaster knew Kipper didn't want to leave, but he dangled him out there anyways... Should of just said Kipper was off the table and save everyone the mess... For people being mad at Kipper for this makes me question this fan base...

[Green Machine]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Because being away from a newborn for a couple of days at a time is different than being away for 2-3 months. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

Oh and before anyone goes there....newborns can't fly.

Not that I'm saying that Kipper should move his family, as he may have other reasons for the decision he made, but the airline restriction on travel for newborns is removed 7 days after birth.

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by badradio

Kipper never wanted to leave, he has a NTC, Feaster knew Kipper didn't want to leave, but he dangled him out there anyways... Should of just said Kipper was off the table and save everyone the mess... For people being mad at Kipper for this makes me question this fan base...

Kipper does not have a NTC

[l33t_hax0r]

Originally Posted by badradio

Kipper never wanted to leave, he has a NTC, Feaster knew Kipper didn't want to leave, but he dangled him out there anyways... Should of just said Kipper was off the table and save everyone the mess... For people being mad at Kipper for this makes me question this fan base...

FYI - his no movement clause expired last season.

[V]

This thread is fantastic.

The guy instantly made this franchise relevant and put the team on his back for year. Then he says he'd rather retire a Flame then play somewhere else.
And this fanbase wants to burn him at the stake because they're not going to get a 6th round draft pick.

Seriously, just fantastic. The raving lunacy in this thread rivals the Canuck fanbase. So much fun to watch.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Everyone can handle this the way they want, just depends what you value more; players or team.

Sure, but what you value more isn't the issue, it's reacting to speculation as if it was fact.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by V

And this fanbase wants to burn him at the stake because they're not going to get a 6th round draft pick.

Seriously, just fantastic. The raving lunacy in this thread rivals the Canuck fanbase. So much fun to watch.

Can we just refer to them as the lunatic fringe? I don't think any reasonable people or fans are actually angry about this.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Kipper does not have a NTC

Agreed he doesn't but everyone with knowledge of his contract realizes it was structured such that he was never expected to play the final year.

[RedMileDJ]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Pretty pissed.

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

when you play half your games on the road anyways, why is he worried about being out of town for ~2months?

give me a break kipper.

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Disappointing

Originally Posted by New Era

That is disappointing to hear. I thought Kipper would have a little more integrity than that.

Originally Posted by keenan87

screw kipper.. No longer a fan of his

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

This reminds me of the last Olympics, where he said he wouldn't play for Finland unless he is the starter. This is nothing but a guy who wants his way, or else he is going to take his ball and go home

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Sorry guys, but this is absolute BS on Kippers part. Ya he played well blah blah blah and the we owe it to him blah blah blah but he doesn't have a NTC!

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Sit kippers ass on the bench for the rest of the season

I only went through the first 8 or so pages. These people above, and I'm sure there are plenty after, are disgusting. You have no concept of home-life and taking care of a family. You call yourselves Flames fans? Serious? You can't respect what Miikka has done for the Flames and the fact he wants to RETIRE as a Flame?

If he thinks he can't honor an extension and play up the level that would be expected of him, then good on him for being HONEST. Honest with himself, ownership, GMs and the fans. There aren't too many players like that these days.

I'm at a loss for words, but I'm sure others will agree with me. You're only upset because a trade didn't happen. Try to look at the big picture. Try to look at what has been accomplished and given by this great goaltender.

Go cheer for another team. No one wants your negativity around here.

Good for Kipper. Retire a Flames. I love it!