[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra

[moon]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

If you look at the hockey return, yes its "meh".

But we just cleared almost 7m off the books, going in to a REDUCED CAP season, and we have 3 first round picks.

If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.

Also, we just traded the all time leader in games played without ever playing in the post season for a 1st round pick and two meager prospect. 1 year ago we'd be happy getting Wade Redden back...

If I am a rival GM I am praying the Flames are dumb enough to overpay for my RFA.

Take a look at the RFA's that make it to FA. A top 5 pick will be a godsend to many teams add in the fact the Flames can't make much of a real offer since they don't have their 2nd and teams are hoping the Flames are dumb enough to make a RFA offer on their players.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by mister__big

St. Louis is a team that's on the bubble and can easily miss out on the playoffs. So why isn't Feaster squeezing a desperate David Poile by the balls and extorting him for more? Instead Feaster agrees to let STL defer the pick to 2014 if the Blues miss the playoffs?? Why is the person dealing from a position of strength giving up concessions like this? It makes zero sense and only shows Feaster as a terrible negotiator with a massively overrated law degree. Don't forget this is the same lawyer who didn't get Iginla to write down his 4 teams on paper.

Have you considered that Davoid Poile isn't interested in adding Bouwmeester's salary? The Blues ain't trading a potential top 10 pick in this year's draft for Bouwmeester. The Blues are making this deal to bolster their blueline in hopes of making the playoffs this year and they are willing to trade a mid-round pick in this year's draft to do that.

And you think Iginla would agree to write down his 4 teams on paper even if asked? If I had an NMC, I'm not putting anything down on paper waiving my rights. I would be stupid to do that unless I really don't care.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

If you look at the hockey return, yes its "meh".

But we just cleared almost 7m off the books, going in to a REDUCED CAP season, and we have 3 first round picks.

If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.

Also, we just traded the all time leader in games played without ever playing in the post season for a 1st round pick and two meager prospect. 1 year ago we'd be happy getting Wade Redden back...

The only thing their trembling about is not getting a deal done at a very reduced rate before their rival.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by dino7c

none of us know if Detroit was interested in the least

would you just please give up this schtick "we dont know anything" "bunch of guys in there underwear in their moms basements analyzing trades" etc etc.

go read my previous response to you. You've been just going on and on about this insignificant bs all night, try actually contributing in a positive way.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by FAN

Have you considered that Davoid Poile isn't interested in adding Bouwmeester's salary? The Blues ain't trading a potential top 10 pick in this year's draft for Bouwmeester. The Blues are making this deal to bolster their blueline in hopes of making the playoffs this year and they are willing to trade a mid-round pick in this year's draft to do that.

And you think Iginla would agree to write down his 4 teams on paper even if asked? If I had an NMC, I'm not putting anything down on paper waiving my rights. I would be stupid to do that unless I really don't care.

That's standard procedure. If you have a NMC/NTC that's generally there to protect a player from going to a ####ty franchise , a place that's not desirable for their family family, or simply a team that player doesn't want to play for. It's useful for players like Jaybo to turn down the Islanders...not for players like Iginla to cherry pick one franchise.

Doug MacLean, one of the worst GMs of the past 20 years even acknowledged it's common practice to have these lists written. It's not asking for much or invoking on a player's rights at all.

[flames_fan_down_under]

There was a lot of speculating going on amongst a lot of people about getting a bonafide prospect in return, such as Schwartz, AND a 1st rounder for Bouwmeester, which while would have been fantastic is very far fetched.

First round picks such as Schwartz are almost considered untouchable by their respective GMs, especially nowadays when drafting is even more crucial than it has ever been because of the lack of quality UFAs.

I like to try to consider what kind of a return I would like to see the Flames get in return for say a package of our first rounder plus Baertschi, and it better be a damn good young player coming our way with years of control and game changing potential. So I can see how a Bouwmeester can return such a package, as underwhelming as it may be to some.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I like to try to consider what kind of a return I would like to see the Flames get in return for say a package of our first rounder plus Baertschi, and it better be a damn good young player coming our way with years of control and game changing potential. So I can see how a Bouwmeester can return such a package, as underwhelming as it may be to some.

That would have to be a Tavares type player and with where we are likely to finish likely too much to pay.

Our first this year should be untouchable.

We should look to deal Baertschi and St. Louis pick for a top 10 pick if anything leave our pick alone.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by moon

That would have to be a Tavares type player and with where we are likely to finish likely too much to pay.

This is exactly what I am saying.

How can people expect bonafide stud prospects coupled with a first rounder in return for Bouwmeester when the expectation for the Flames offering a similar package (hypothetically of course) would be a Tavares type player?

People who are expecting a first for Cammalleri or Glencross might be disappointed too. If the Flames traded away a 1st rounder for Glencross or Cammalleri would you be satisfied? Probably not...that should tell you something. (This paragraph is not directed at you moon)

[dino7c]

would you trade a first and sven for Jaybo? that is basically what you guys are asking...some of you

[jg13]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

This is exactly what I am saying.

How can people expect bonafide stud prospects coupled with a first rounder in return for Bouwmeester when the expectation for the Flames offering a similar package (hypothetically of course) would be a Tavares type player?

People who are expecting a first for Cammalleri or Glencross might be disappointed too. If the Flames traded away a 1st rounder for Glencross or Cammalleri would you be satisfied? Probably not...that should tell you something. (This paragraph is not directed at you moon)

Considering glencross' contract if I'm a contending team in a sellers market I definitely give up my first.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

This is exactly what I am saying.

How can people expect bonafide stud prospects coupled with a first rounder in return for Bouwmeester when the expectation for the Flames offering a similar package (hypothetically of course) would be a Tavares type player?

People who are expecting a first for Cammalleri or Glencross might be disappointed too. If the Flames traded away a 1st rounder for Glencross or Cammalleri would you be satisfied? Probably not...that should tell you something. (This paragraph is not directed at you moon)

I didn't expect that at all.

I thought Cole and a 1st.

Cole is far from a bonefide prospect and their first is far from ours.

Rattie would have been a nice throw in prospect if possible.

I really don't think that is a crazy return.

I also think Glencross can get the Rangers pick from Colombus if he agrees and Cammilieri gets a 2nd or a 22 year old guy of third calibre with 2nd line upside if everything works out.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

would you trade a first and sven for Jaybo? that is basically what you guys are asking...some of you

BS

Who are we asking to give up a top 5 pick for?

Let alone a guy close to Baertschi?

[Split98]

Couple thoughts:

- Some people seem to be fairly high on Cundari, so not as terrible a trade as people are making it out to be
- Bouw was having one good year after being an appalling $6+M waste of space on this team since he came over
- Another 1st is great
- Dealing players with NMCs obviously handicaps you when the GM on the phone knows he's one of the few options. Imagine if I was selling a car, and the guy I'm selling it to knows that it needs to go by tonight and only him and another guy are looking at it. I'm not getting the highest value.
- I'm glad he moved before deadline. I think pulling the trigger when STL made the offer prevents the offer from declining as STL looks at or makes other trades during the trade frenzy. Had Bouw not had a NMC, this would have been a different story obviously as the bidding war would have been intense.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

would you just please give up this schtick "we dont know anything" "bunch of guys in there underwear in their moms basements analyzing trades" etc etc.

go read my previous response to you. You've been just going on and on about this insignificant bs all night, try actually contributing in a positive way.

what are you talking about, sorry I deal in facts...nobody here knows if Detroit had any interest in Jaybo. How is this schtick?

"they could have got more"

ffs if they had a better offer they would probably take it



again would you trade a 1st and Sven for Jaybo? That is basically a lot of other people wanted/think we shold have gotten

its called reality my friend

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Kaine

All this talk about the trade, him being a "worthless bum"...

I just want to say thank you Jay. From what we hear from Feaster you were a total professional throughout this whole process. More than that thank you for your services. Some trying times for sure but I really feel like you started to find your game this year when not forced to play a "system" that wouldn't allow you to try to create anything as under Sutter. Things didn't work out here but hopefully you find your game with the Blues.

*I know he won't see this but I felt it should be said amidst all the negativity. If he wasn't paid a couple million a year less and not forced into the #1 role I think a lot of people wouldn't have hated on him so much. Not his fault he was given such a crazy contract for an unproven player, any one of us would have taken it and ran.

Bouwmeester's production plummeted in Calgary. 3 seasons, 12 goals. The prior 3 seasons, 42 goals. He was supposed to be a d-man who consistently put up around 40 points (as he did for the 4 seasons prior to signing with Calgary)

I don't think unproven is the right word here. Media and fans were throwing around "sweepstakes" when he was about to hit the UFA market.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

again would you trade a 1st and Sven for Jaybo? That is basically a lot of other people wanted/think we shold have gotten

its called reality my friend

Again who?

Who thought we were getting a top 5 pick and a Baertschi like prospect?

At best people were hoping for a 15-20 pick and a Schwartz who is arguably a Baertschi comparable but the pick is nowhere close.

And enough (not you dino) with the Bouwmeester was crap arguments. He was fine in his time with Calgary.

[dino7c]

he was a highly valued guy when Calgary signed him...I was excited as were most people but it never worked out.

18 goals in almost 300 games to go along with a -38

people it didn't work out, his great play this year has got us to 2nd last place

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by moon

Again who?

Who thought we were getting a top 5 pick and a Baertschi like prospect?

At best people were hoping for a 15-20 pick and a Schwartz who is arguably a Baertschi comparable but the pick is nowhere close.

And enough (not you dino) with the Bouwmeester was crap arguments. He was fine in his time with Calgary.

I just mean we expect others to give up a first and a top prospect for Jaybo but I wouldn't want to (and obviously no NHL GM would either)

hypothetically lets say the Flames were one point out of a playoff spot. Would you give up the first and Sven for a "Jaybo" I sure as hell wouldn't

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

This is exactly what I am saying.

How can people expect bonafide stud prospects coupled with a first rounder in return for Bouwmeester when the expectation for the Flames offering a similar package (hypothetically of course) would be a Tavares type player?

People who are expecting a first for Cammalleri or Glencross might be disappointed too. If the Flames traded away a 1st rounder for Glencross or Cammalleri would you be satisfied? Probably not...that should tell you something. (This paragraph is not directed at you moon)

this is exactly what I was talking about...we would expect FAR more return for our prospects/picks

[moon]

Originally Posted by dino7c;4175921/

hypothetically lets say the Flames were one point out of a playoff spot. Would you give up the first and Sven for a "Jaybo" I sure as hell wouldn't

Depends on make up of the team but probably not which is why I was hoping Cole and a 1st. I don't think of Cole as a Baertschi type prospect. Would have been fine with Rattie even though I think people put too much stock in him and Baertschi.