Would have much preferred to see a solid prospect come back the other way. I'm a little worried about what next year's roster is going to look like unless the Flames get at least a couple of guys (or even one guy) who's NHL ready.
The most interesting part of the deal is the conditional pick, which strikes me as an interesting gambit from both sides. Obviously it affords St. Louis some protection if they don't make the playoffs in a strong draft year, but it also works to Calgary's benefit in that - if St. Louis does make the playoffs - the pick is going to be about as good as possible for a playoff-bound team, and one that Bouwmeester would have accepted a trade too.
All that said though, I had expected better, and would have waited for the draft or next year's deadline to move JBo if this had been the best offer presented to me. I do suspect, however, that we won't be able to evaluate this move until draft day - lots of opportunity to move up, and very interested to see what they do.
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I'm sick of defending someone I don't even really believe to excel as a gm. My issue is the arrogance that posters here have in definitively stating, moments after the deal, without one bit of knowledge about how it actually went down, that feaster made the wrong decision and he is completely inept.
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All this discussion about Feaster's intelligence or lack thereof is stupid. Jay Feaster, like Jay Leno, didn't get to where they are in life being stupid. Feaster managed to take over the jobs of two of his bosses. He's no fool.
I've been hard on Feaster since he was hired as GM, but I'm going to give him credit here. After hearing about the conditional 1st round pick from Boston, I was worried that the focus wasn't on obtaining the best draft pick. But I'm happy with the return here.
Now it comes down to what Feaster does with those picks. Can he/will he/should he package the two later picks to move up in the draft? A team can rebuild quickly in a deep draft if they come away guys similar to the quality of Tanguay, Skoula, and Regehr with the first three picks instead of Gagner, Plante, Nash.
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Feaster said Bouw gave a list of teams and they engaged them all. Many did not have the cap space next year. That really limits the options. Two issues, the player and the contract.
At the draft, people have a lot of time left to improve their teams. Next year, he is a rental. So now is the time.
At 6.68, this guy had good elements to his game. Ability to jump in and get back. Ability to stay in position on the rush. And glaring holes. Ability to keep guys to the outside but inability to force them off the puck (often enough). Not tough in front. Not able to read the play (watching the puck while his guy slips away and in to a scoring position). The defensive lapses lost the Flames a lot of points in tight games.
It is hard to score against good defense. So even when he jumps in, he slightly increases the odds. But when he screws up, it kills.
So given the reality of the trade timing options, limited partners, and holes in his game at top dollar, this return is not bad at all.
See, this is the part that really pisses me off. It isn't like the return is staggering or they added any kind of legit prospect to the deal and Feaster gives them an out if they miss the playoffs? Stupid!
There's no out. It's this year or 4th this AND 1st next. Doesn't sound like an out to me...
All this discussion about Feaster's intelligence or lack thereof is stupid. Jay Feaster, like Jay Leno, didn't get to where they are in life being stupid. Feaster managed to take over the jobs of two of his bosses. He's no fool.
I've been hard on Feaster since he was hired as GM, but I'm going to give him credit here. After hearing about the conditional 1st round pick from Boston, I was worried that the focus wasn't on obtaining the best draft pick. But I'm happy with the return here.
Now it comes down to what Feaster does with those picks. Can he/will he/should he package the two later picks to move up in the draft? A team can rebuild quickly in a deep draft if they come away guys similar to the quality of Tanguay, Skoula, and Regehr with the first three picks instead of Gagner, Plante, Nash.
I think in comparison to the average guy, he's a very smart guy. However compared to other NHL GMs, he's at the bottom of the barrel.
I'm hoping we don't go on a big spending spree July 1st. Keep your cap space until your young core blossoms, and then surround them with complimentary pieces.
I'm hoping we don't go on a big spending spree July 1st. Keep your cap space until your young core blossoms, and then surround them with complimentary pieces.
Agreed. Unless a big UFA (are there any?) wants to sign in Calgary for a huge discount (haha ya right) I don't want them to sign anyone significant. Save the cap space for when our new prospects start to come off of entry contracts.
But we just cleared almost 7m off the books, going in to a REDUCED CAP season, and we have 3 first round picks.
If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.
Also, we just traded the all time leader in games played without ever playing in the post season for a 1st round pick and two meager prospect. 1 year ago we'd be happy getting Wade Redden back...
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I don't know if anyone is over the moon with what the Flames have received, in terms of prospects, for Iginla and Bouwmeester, but it really comes down to that.
Did he have better offers and decided to take the worst one?
Feaster may not be guided by the ghost of Sam Pollock, but obviously this is what's out there right now.
All this talk of "at least an "A" prospect and the first and a project and bla bla bla" all sounds well and good, but the other GM's either:
A) weren't offering the dream packages
B) Feaster actively decided to take the worst offer he could find
Which one is more likely?
For Bouwmeester in particular, this is exactly the kind of trade we would have freaked out about a year ago, but it would have been the other way around.
The Flames were on the fringe of the playoffs and if they had dumped a first rounder and two prospects for an overpaid, underachieving defenseman for just a hope of making the playoffs, we would have considered it a disaster.
Now it goes the other way, and Feaster sucks for doing it.
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It goes beyond the two options you offered. A really simple explaination is Feaster is simply not a good negotiator. Maybe he's interested in just being fair to his fellow GM's, but in a sellers market this year, he didn't negotiate a kings random and the Flames management is getting torched because of it.
What fleury said here. I simply think Feaster doesn't have the "street crud" that someone like Brian Burke does to get the best deal. Nice guy, tries hard... but not the best option for being a hockey GM.
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to be a lawyer you need to have a memory like elephant and a knack for obsessively picking up obscure details in walls of text (to understand whether a player has to pass waivers, for instance)
intelligence, not so much
not to mention it has zero to do with hockey trades
Yeah... that didn't work so well for ROR...
Also, since all the fun talk about law school's and top 2%s... I convinced a Ivy League grad student to eat glue, cause its my birthday. Just sayin...
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But we just cleared almost 7m off the books, going in to a REDUCED CAP season, and we have 3 first round picks.
If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.
Also, we just traded the all time leader in games played without ever playing in the post season for a 1st round pick and two meager prospect. 1 year ago we'd be happy getting Wade Redden back...
Not sold on the meager prospects comment at the moment. Looking up Berra and he is a big goalie who is very agile. Might not be the fastest but he looks decent enough to get a good shot over here.
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All this talk about the trade, him being a "worthless bum"...
I just want to say thank you Jay. From what we hear from Feaster you were a total professional throughout this whole process. More than that thank you for your services. Some trying times for sure but I really feel like you started to find your game this year when not forced to play a "system" that wouldn't allow you to try to create anything as under Sutter. Things didn't work out here but hopefully you find your game with the Blues.
*I know he won't see this but I felt it should be said amidst all the negativity. If he wasn't paid a couple million a year less and not forced into the #1 role I think a lot of people wouldn't have hated on him so much. Not his fault he was given such a crazy contract for an unproven player, any one of us would have taken it and ran.
I don't hate this deal. I think Feaster could have gotten more if he played the waiting game - and perhaps bid it up with Det (was rumored).. but another 1st rounder is good news, and as has been said many times already, JBO was a guy we wanted gone since the day he got here. Moving him the moment he looks like he's finding his form seems like as good a time as any.
That being said.. Does anyone else have the image of Feaster cutting through a bed mattress shouting "All prices are cut in half! I won't be undersold" like some bad 80's furniture sales commercial?
If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.
Okay so, Feaster, who the general consensus thinks has so far been fleeced in his every trade (starting from Regehr), is all set to throw away the picks he has managed to gather for the right to overpay free agents, plus he might be available for picking up their garbage.
Somehow I don't think other GM's see this as a bad thing.
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But we just cleared almost 7m off the books, going in to a REDUCED CAP season, and we have 3 first round picks.
If I am a rival GM I am trembling after the RoR fiasco. Feaster is aggressive, he has picks and cap space - he can go for RFA's or simply do "mercy-trades" with all that cap space.
Also, we just traded the all time leader in games played without ever playing in the post season for a 1st round pick and two meager prospect. 1 year ago we'd be happy getting Wade Redden back...
I notice you are posting from Sweden, maybe you mistake the english word 'trembling' for meaning 'rolling on the floor wetting themselves with laughter' and 'aggresive' with meaning 'to **** scared to start the rebuild two years ago when he should and now drops his knickers at the first offer to come along', if so these are common mistakes when you are first learning a new language.
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