[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

No, I meant there is no guarantee of that first round pick amounting into an NHL'r

there never is

[sun]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'd rather have a bj and a steak, but neither are currently being offered.

Paging flameswin.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by dino7c

there never is

I never would have guessed...

[Ned Braden]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Oh please. More revisionist history.

Thank you. Of all the explanations I've heard to the Flames' catastrophic draft failures, "not paying enough attention to the WHL" might be the least plausible. I think you can make a better case that they've over-scouted and over-drafted it.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

I still can't believe the return includes two college kids that can choose to be UFA's at the end of the season. And the first round pick is no guarantee either.
Putrid.

How does this misinformation go around everywhere? Does no one know how college draft picks work?

[Ned Braden]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

I don't know what a Agostino or Hanowski is, but can't be worse than a Bartkowski.

Even though people remember D Sutter for his end of tenure crazy period, that guy used to make insane deals, robbing other teams...


There will be a day in 2014, where the Flames have lost a Franchise D, F, and G over the past 5 seasons. The remnants on the Flames will be Stajan, some players ready for the AHL, and the next Mario Lemeiux, drafted 30th overall in 2013.

Except that Iginla and Kirusoff are not, at their ages, anything like franchise players, and nor IMHO is Phaneuf a franchise player (which, to be clear, doesn't make the Phaneuf trade less of an embarassment.)

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

How does this misinformation go around everywhere? Does no one know how college draft picks work?

One of them is a senior. Are you not aware about the Justin Schultz situation last year?

[TSXCman]

Originally Posted by Ned Braden

Except that Iginla and Kirusoff are not, at their ages, anything like franchise players, and nor IMHO is Phaneuf a franchise player (which, to be clear, doesn't make the Phaneuf trade less of an embarassment.)

Old Kipper = Old Goalie = Still insanely good goalie.

Iggy, old but has been a franchise player.

Phaneuf, drafted like one, got icetime like one, is given captaincy like one, people still think he is a franchise player and should have been dealt for like one.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

One of them is a senior. Are you not aware about the Justin Schultz situation last year?

Ya, that's a completely different situation than Hanowski's.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Ya, that's a completely different situation than Hanowski's.

They only hold his rights... he can sign on with another team if he chooses at the end of the season.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

They only hold his rights... he can sign on with another team if he chooses at the end of the season.

Yes, the Flames hold his rights, but it lasts past the end of the season, to August 15th. Any college pick you only have their rights, they aren't allowed to have a professional contract and play NCAA hockey. It's a very common situation that Hanowski is in.

Schultz was different because he forgo his first year of college hockey after the draft to play Junior A, then went to college. This created a loophole where Anaheim only had negotiation rights until June 24th. Different situation.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Yes, the Flames hold his rights, but it lasts past the end of the season, to August 15th. Any college pick you only have their rights, they aren't allowed to have a professional contract and play NCAA hockey. It's a very common situation that Hanowski is in.

Schultz was different because he forgo his first year of college hockey after the draft to play Junior A, then went to college. This created a loophole where Anaheim only had negotiation rights until June 24th. Different situation.

Yeah but my point was that they can still choose not to sign here. You're just arguing over semantics, August 15th versus June 24th- who cares? If they don't want to play here, they aren't going to sign. A ~60 day delay won't change anything.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Yeah but my point was that they can still choose not to sign here. You're just arguing over semantics, August 15th versus June 24th- who cares? If they don't want to play here, they aren't going to sign. A ~60 day delay won't change anything.

Okay, you still were spewing misinformation, Hanowski, yes, he could become a free agent at the end of this summer. Agostino however, he cannot, as we hold his rights till 4 years after he is drafted. So if he decided to graduate but didn't sign with the Flames, he couldn't sign with any other NHL team until summer of 2014. Why he would do that doesn't make any sense to me, and worrying about it is about as useful as worrying about any other draft pick deciding to not sign with the Flames ala Tim Erixon style.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Jeez... that Iggy tribute with "Thanks for the Memories" that keeps playing on Fan960 keeps choking me up.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

They had Glenn Healy on Primetime Sports discussing this. Granted, he's one of the worst commentators out there and his views are usually way off base...but he did work with the NHLPA so I would assume he has some idea of NHL processes and isn't just making stuff up. He said that this is the common process that is followed when a team tries to trade a player with a NTC/NMC - they get a list of teams he'll accept, submit it to the NHLPA, then the team is able to trade him to any of those teams. That prevents these type of issues where teams work to trade a player only for the player to change his mind last second.

He gave some recent examples like Komisarek (who had a NMC) - where he signed a form saying he'll accept a demotion to the AHL, the Leafs submit it to the NHLPA, then they're able to do it. While apparently it's very common, the key is that both parties need to sign the form then submit it to the league.

So we'd only be speculating if Iginla was refusing to do this or if Feaster just didn't bother and figured Iginla's word was good enough...

Doug MacLean also talking about this on Sportsnet. He says it's very odd to get a list of teams you can explore a trade with and then have to go back to the player once the trade is reached to get formal accpetance. The general practice is to get a list then you're able to trade the player to any team on that list. Otherwise "it's the tail wagging the dog" and it leads to a messy situation.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Doug MacLean also talking about this on Sportsnet. He says it's very odd to get a list of teams you can explore a trade with and then have to go back to the player once the trade is reached to get formal accpetance. The general practice is to get a list then you're able to trade the player to any team on that list. Otherwise "it's the tail wagging the dog" and it leads to a messy situation.

Did you also hear in that same segment, one of the college players involved in the trade are an unrestricted free agent come July?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I think what a lot of fans are forgetting is the extra $7M in cap space. That's a lot to work with if Flames management uses it properly.

Big if

[dino7c]

Iginla is a unique situation, Flames were right to give him the final say...besides he has to formally waive the no-trade list or not

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Big if

7M for Iggy was nowhere near a good value, notice how all these highlights and great memories they keep showing are from 5 plus years ago

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

7M for Iggy was nowhere near a good value, notice how all these highlights and great memories they keep showing are from 5 plus years ago

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I just hope they hold onto it. I don't want them spending it right away on ufas this year. Although looks like we might drop bows salary as well.