[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How did Shero know this?

Jay told him.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Ferland was invisible in the just ended WHL playoff series against the Medicine Hat Tigers, although he may have been nursing an injury.

He was, he was shying away from the physical play which is exactly the opposite of how he played the rest of the season.

This kid is motivated though, his injury was not conditioning related, and from what I have heard around the City and the Blades training staff he is heavily motivated to have his best off season yet.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

We can rehash deals for pending UFAs at the deadline if you like, but this return is barely more than what Nashville paid for Paul Gaustad.

I wasn't expecting a Tkachuk or Hossa deal, but at least something that doesn't embarrass your franchise.

I was hoping for a return like the Guerin deal or Campbell deal (of which Iginla is a better player at this point).

We fell short.

How many times does this need to be explained?

This wasn't a bidding war.

Iggy wanted to go to the Pens, he had a NTC, and that made the options almost nil.

If you were expecting a better return because of a bidding war, you don't understand the optics of what happened.

He has an expiring contract, wanted to go to one team and that vastly effected the return.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The NMC makes trading someone very difficult. They have all the power after all, they can block any trade. The reason the return wasn't good is about timing, that being the Flames held onto Iginla too long and should have traded him two or three years ago for a larger return. Instead ownership was making money and they were good with that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Did Iginla ever say he would agree to go to four teams? That was all speculated.

Again, he had a NTC and wanted to go to Pittsuburgh. Period. Are you somehow insinuating it's Feaster's fault for not twisting his arm into going to Boston? Come on.

We had no choice in the matter, other than to lose Iginla for nothing. Sorry, your blame is completely off base.



So we should listen to people who have no connection to Crosby and take what they say at face value but not listen to Crosby when it comes from his own mouth? Uh, ok.

Face it, everything you're trying to say here is bunk.

I get that it's a frustrating situation, but you're using terrible logic to try and find and unjustifiable outlet.

Honestly what have I said is bunk? Your okay to speculate but when I do it is false. Okay there smart guy. I am not even that mad all I am saying is this could have been handled much better than it was.

It came out that Iggy submitted a list no where has it been confirmed that Pitt was the only team. Why tell Boston you have a deal if there is no way Igy waives for them? The team let Iggy pick his team and didn't take the best offer

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think it is going to be very difficult for Agostino and Hanowski to ever be accepted by Flames fans.

If it were up to me, I would try to develop them along into the pro ranks, improve their value, and then try to include them as assets in trades for other picks.

Because they have a huge hill to climb here.

I don't know. If we had acquired Maata or Poiliout, everyone would be ecstatic at the blue chipper we got for Iggy. Most casual fans are under the impression we got taken to the cleaners, so if either player can become a solid 2 way top 9 player, that should be viewed as a success. Who knows how this will play out though. Who would've thought Boston would win a cup before San Jose, after the poor return they got in the Thornton trade.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

How many times does this need to be explained?

This wasn't a bidding war.

Iggy wanted to go to the Pens, he had a NTC, and that made the options almost nil.

If you were expecting a better return because of a bidding war, you don't understand the optics of what happened.

He has an expiring contract, wanted to go to one team and that vastly effected the return.

It should have been.

And if Feaster didn't play his cards correctly, then that is all the more reason to blame him.

The fact remains that he got swindled.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Jay told him.

Exactly. Horrible simply terrible negotiating

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It should have been.

And if Feaster didn't play his cards correctly, then that is all the more reason to blame him.

The fact remains that he got swindled.

What does "No Movement Clause" mean to you?

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Honestly what have I said is bunk? Your okay to speculate but when I do it is false. Okay there smart guy. I am not even that mad all I am saying is this could have been handled much better than it was.

It came out that Iggy submitted a list no where has it been confirmed that Pitt was the only team. Why tell Boston you have a deal if there is no way Igy waives for them? The team let Iggy pick his team and didn't take the best offer

What are you talking about? It's been stated by Boston outright that they were told Iginla wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

That was his prerogative, and he forced our hand.

You've blamed Feaster for not trying to elevate the value when his hands were clearly tied.

You're either not understanding what happened or deliberately ignoring it just to vent and place blame where it doesn't belong.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It should have been.

And if Feaster didn't play his cards correctly, then that is all the more reason to blame him.

The fact remains that he got swindled.

Wow.

You are either trolling or I don't know what to say.

No Movement Clause = Iginla picks where he goes. That's what happened.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Honestly what have I said is bunk? Your okay to speculate but when I do it is false. Okay there smart guy. I am not even that mad all I am saying is this could have been handled much better than it was.

It came out that Iggy submitted a list no where has it been confirmed that Pitt was the only team. Why tell Boston you have a deal if there is no way Igy waives for them? The team let Iggy pick his team and didn't take the best offer

Charelli and Feaster both flat out said, they had a deal and Iggy blocked it.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Did Iginla ever say he would agree to go to four teams? That was all speculated.

Again, he had a NTC and wanted to go to Pittsuburgh. Period. Are you somehow insinuating it's Feaster's fault for not twisting his arm into going to Boston? Come on.

I think the point Primetime Sports is making is that Iginla clearly gave a list (likely verbally or off the record) and Boston was on it (otherwise Feaster wouldn't have wasted his time going as far as coming to terms on a deal). As per Glenn Healy, common protocol when a player has a NMC is that he submits an official list of approved teams then the team files this list to the NHLPA. At this point, the team can trade him to any of those teams. Because Feaster didn't get a formal list and submit it to the NHLPA, it blew up in his face because Iginla went back on his word and after initially saying Boston was on his list.

So if Feaster didn't follow common protocol and submit a formal list from Iginla to the NHLPA before doing his negotiations and was forced to take a worse deal because Iginla changed his mind...then yes, you could easily argue it's Feaster's fault.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Wow.

You are either trolling or I don't know what to say.

No Movement Clause = Iginla picks where he goes. That's what happened.

No.

There are only 3 people that need to know where Iginla wants to go - Iginla, Feaster and Meehan. The second Feaster decided to yield that leverage is the second he got us a garbage return.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

What are you talking about? It's been stated by Boston outright that they were told Iginla wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

That was his prerogative, and he forced our hand.

You've blamed Feaster for not trying to elevate the value when his hands were clearly tied.

You're either not understanding what happened or deliberately ignoring it just to vent and place blame where it doesn't belong.

No you are wrong. Iggy was told he didn't want to go to Boston when calgary gave him the option to choose between the 2. That is where the Flames failed that is where Feaster messed up. You tell Iggy that Pitt's offer is not going to help the team and they really like what Boston has on the table. I think Iggy would have agreed to waive for the Bruins. The fact you are claiming it was a 1 team list is your speculation.

You get a list you ensure he will agree to waive for these specific team the you make the best deal among those teams. Plain and simple. If it comes out later that there was a 1 team list then you have a point but why does Boston ever believe they have a done deal if they were not on the list?

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

I think the point Primetime Sports is making is that Iginla clearly gave a list and Boston was on it (otherwise Feaster wouldn't have wasted his time going as far as coming to terms on a deal). As per Glenn Healy, common protocol when a player has a NMC is he submits an official list of approved teams then the team files this list to the NHLPA. After this point, the team can trade him to any of those teams. Because Feaster didn't do this, it blew up in his face because Iginla went back on his word and after initially having Boston on his list, he decided against it after the deal was made.

So if Feaster didn't follow common protocol and submit Iginla's list to the NHLPA and was forced to take a worse deal because Iginla changed his mind...then yes, you could easily argue it's Feaster's fault.

First of all, that is a whole lot of supposing and guess work.

2nd, at the end of the day, Iginla got to pick where he went. So all of the convincing in the world didn't matter if he made up his mind. That couldn't be any more black and white.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It should have been.

And if Feaster didn't play his cards correctly, then that is all the more reason to blame him.

The fact remains that he got swindled.

A bidding war between 3 teams, one of which apparently had little interest, isn't really going to amount to much though. Iginla made it such that only Boston and Pittsburgh had to offer against each other. One of the two teams has a fairly conservative GM and offered low. The other took another route around the bidding war process by piling on other players to take advantage of Iginla's feelings on the matter. The latter won out.

In this process, all Shero had to do was make Pittsburgh more attractive than Boston and, even if a worse offer than Boston's existed, Feaster's hand would be forced on the issue.

The fate of the trade was ultimately sealed when Iginla offered his list and Shero decided this was the year to go all in. I'm not sure who leaked the list, but it wouldn't make sense that the Flames' brass do it...in no world could I imagine a GM dumb enough to do that.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think it is going to be very difficult for Agostino and Hanowski to ever be accepted by Flames fans.

Flames fans treat anyone who doesn't score 50 goals in a season like crap.

Hell, there are "fans" on this forum who actually treated a 50-goal scorer like crap.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Charelli and Feaster both flat out said, they had a deal and Iggy blocked it.

They told Iggy that he could choose between the 2 from what I heard and he chose Pitt. If I can see proof where iggy said it was Pitt and only Pitt then I retract my statement but I am having a hard time believing that was the case. Everything I heard on the radio today was the Flames gave Iggy the choice and he picked the Pens

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No you are wrong. Iggy was told he didn't want to go to Boston when calgary gave him the option to choose between the 2. That is where the Flames failed that is where Feaster messed up. You tell Iggy that Pitt's offer is not going to help the team and they really like what Boston has on the table. I think Iggy would have agreed to waive for the Bruins. The fact you are claiming it was a 1 team list is your speculation.

You get a list you ensure he will agree to waive for these specific team the you make the best deal among those teams. Plain and simple. If it comes out later that there was a 1 team list then you have a point but why does Boston ever believe they have a done deal if they were not on the list?

lol, this is getting almost comical.

Do you understand what a no-movement clause is?

Iginla has the final say in signing off on the trade, and ultimately decided he wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

You are outright wrong. Iginla said he wanted to go to Pittsburgh. The Flames said that is what he chose and they honoured his wishes. Boston confirmed they were told it was Iginla's choice to go with the Pens.

Give it up. You're incorrect. Jarome Iginla had a no-movment clause and had the final say in where he went. Period.