[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

That's basically what McKenzie alluded to late last night.

Also, Feaster did call before the announcement. Not sure what the other poster is talking about.

Boston ‏@NHLBruins
PC said last night, "around quarter to 12 got a call from Jay saying it was player's choice & he opted to go to Pittsburgh & we were out"

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Not really, at that point you still have a few days, you can imply to Iginla that you are not prepared to do the deal with the Pens, you try to get some pressure on him, you also let the Pens dangle, adding pressure to them knowing that Boston is in the mix.

Pressure Iginla? With what? All he says is OK Im not going to sign off then and will explore UFA this summer....and the Flames get zilch for him..


Why are people not understanding the Flames had ZERO leverage once it was Pittsburgh or nothing?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by liamenator

1) not being forthright with Boston about Iggy having final say, nor about the latter's waffling on the deal that afternoon;
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No need. This is how all NMCs work. The list doesn't matter - the player signs off on the trade and can choose to change their mind any point before that sign off happens.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Yeah. Feaster's hands were pretty much totally tied here, and it does seem as though Meehan/Iginla are most to blame. But Feaster made 2 crucial errors, which might have mitigated what is looking to be total clusterfudge:
1) not being forthright with Boston about Iggy having final say, nor about the latter's waffling on the deal that afternoon;
2) not allowing Chiarelli permission to speak directly with Iggy so as to make a full court press for Boston.

Regarding the latter, I'm surprised Feaster wouldn't give permission, based on his experience granting permission to Buffalo to convince Regehr in 2011.

1) Everyone knew Iginla had final say, his NMC was not a secret.

2) Could well have been Meehan and Iginla who refused to talk.

[dino7c]

Iggy didn't waive to go to Boston, how is it Feaster's fault

[Rickbo]

The Flames also just free up 5-7 Million dollars in cap space.
Who we sign in the off season for this money should also be considered part of this deal right? Only time will tell but I am ok with this trade.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol 1st round pick is now a bag of pucks

its like having the first pick in the second rd

[browna]

I really don't think it was one team. He said in the presser today that he and the Flames were in agreement about the returns he'd bring from both the Bruins and Pens...and that the returns were similar.

And since the returns being similar, he preferred Pittsburgh. Almost sounded as if Pitt. bumped up the offer in the last couple days a little bit to be on par with the Boston one.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

That's pressure? You think that anyone anywhere is going to run with the 'Iginla screwed the Flames' narrative given his reputation?

If you're Feaster you have to try, and if it turns out that this is what went down Iginla has tarnished his reputation, something that is important to him.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

No need. This is how all NMCs work. The list doesn't matter - the player signs off on the trade and can choose to change their mind any point before that sign off happens.

Furthermore, what nobody outside Calgary could understand is that Iginla deserved to make that call, not only because it was in his contract, but also because of what he's meant to this city. If Jarome preferred the Penguins to the Bruins, then good on Feaster and the Flames for accommodating his preference.

The time to maximize his value, trade-wise, was over two/three seasons ago. This time, if a trade had to happen, it was to do right by Iginla, and give him a better chance to win.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

No need. This is how all NMCs work. The list doesn't matter - the player signs off on the trade and can choose to change their mind any point before that sign off happens.

Don't disagree, but based on Chiarelli's comments it seems there was major miscommunication somewhere--PC assumed since Boston was one of the 4, there wasn't a chance that Iginla would or could nix at the final hour. Though I guess you could make the case that's Chiarelli's fault for assuming.

EDIT: should note, I'm talking in reference to this tweet:
@GlobeKPD Never, says Chiarelli, was it portrayed to him that Iggy would get last tag on the deal.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by Rickbo

The Flames also just free up 5-7 Million dollars in cap space.
Who we sign in the off season for this money should also be considered part of this deal right? Only time will tell but I am ok with this trade.

I think that there will probably be a few buyouts from teams this summer. That extra cap space could go a long way to quickly turning around this team with some low priced buyout help.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you're Feaster you have to try, and if it turns out that this is what went down Iginla has tarnished his reputation, something that is important to him.

Why would you try something that is pretty much guaranteed to only be successful in damaging the relationship with the guy who has been the face of your franchise for 15 years? There is virtually no upside to that tactic.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by valo403

1) Everyone knew Iginla had final say, his NMC was not a secret.

2) Could well have been Meehan and Iginla who refused to talk.

re: 2 -- Based strictly on his words, Chiarelli said he was rebuffed from being granted permission to speak to Iginla, not from having an audience with him. That means the team said No.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Calls Boston and tells them Iginla picked Pitt
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

Sounds like you might be spot on. I guess i have to retract what i was saying about Feaster, because that Boston deal is pretty much what i thought Iggy was worth.

I wonder if Pitt got wind that Iggy would only go to Penguins? They really did not offer much considering both propspects are far bellow the Russian kid. By no means am i saying the Russian kid is a blue chip prospect.

Now i can see how some posters felt that Feaster had no leverage. Pitt could have just offered a bag of pucks if they wanted.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by liamenator

re: 2 -- Based strictly on his words, Chiarelli said he was rebuffed from being granted permission to speak to Iginla, not from having an audience with him. That means the team said No.

Feaster could very well have been told that Iginla would not speak with anyone. You're reaching to point fingers.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

It was a firm first from Boston as per Chiarelli. McKenzie said Feaster preferred the Boston deal but Iginla nixed it.

1st (Bos) + Khoklachev + Bartowski

1st (Pit) + Agostino + Hanowski

Those were the deals.

As I said it's all trivial now....Boston can say they were willing to offer the moon and it doesn't matter one iota. When I went to bed, I heard conditional first, and that was just plain awful, also wrong because he wasn't going to Boston! The thing is maybe it started as conditional first earlier in the day than Feaster got Pittsburgh to committ to a sure thing first. At which point Boston comes back with take the condition off the first, but at that point Pittsburgh is close enough that Iginla can say I'm going there.

At this point I hope the Bruins players are really motivated to beat Pittsburgh knowing Iginla picked that team over there's...

The Flames are going to look bad either way though...when you trade a plyer like Iginla the loser in the bidding war is going to cry foul. If you remember the Lindros saga...not quite that, but a bit similar, maybe more like the Canucks losing out on Brad Richards...to Jay Feaster ironically. At least this way the player won't be in a situation where he says I wanted them to trade me to Pittsburgh, and they lied to me about them not being interested. It's in Iginla's court now.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you're Feaster you have to try, and if it turns out that this is what went down Iginla has tarnished his reputation, something that is important to him.

I don't think Iginla has tarnished his reputation at all. It was his choice to make. As Jiri said, that's what a NMC/NTC means: like it or not, the player has the final say.

If Chiarelli is angry, then he should direct that anger toward the idea of a NMC.

Chiarellia also seems to not have understood how significant a move away from Calgary was for Iginla. Feaster and the Flames did, and that's why they respected his wishes.

[Flash Walken]

Peter Maher mentioned on the radio that Iginla was looking to go somewhere with an extension and then chose his words very, very carefully to say iginla had been advised that perhaps the best course of action was NOT to sign an extension and let the season play out.

Boston very likely wanted to extend Iginla, which is probably why they wanted to talk to him. Refusing that phonecall tells me that maybe Iginla wasn't interested in discussion an extension anymore and that this is why he chose pittsburgh.

It probably was a 2 horse race until he made up his mind he wasn't looking for a sign-and-trade.

[Psytic]

We will suck #### for years any way. I am sure we will amass enough good prospects in the coming dark ages that this wont be that big a deal. Iggy chose the team with the best chance to win the cup. Thats all thats left on his resume. I don't blame him at all.