[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[blankall]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Yeah. Feaster's hands were pretty much totally tied here, and it does seem as though Meehan/Iginla are most to blame. But Feaster made 2 crucial errors, which might have mitigated what is looking to be total clusterfudge:
1) not being forthright with Boston about Iggy having final say, nor about the latter's waffling on the deal that afternoon;
2) not allowing Chiarelli permission to speak directly with Iggy so as to make a full court press for Boston.

Regarding the latter, I'm surprised Feaster wouldn't give permission, based on his experience granting permission to Buffalo to convince Regehr in 2011.

Boston was low balling Calgary. When someone low balls you, the correct course of action is to treat them like dirt and be as silent as possible. Any other action makes you look weak. You have to be tough in negotiations like this. It's not about being friendly or courteous. Next time Boston will know that they need to make a better offer if they expect the red carpet treatment.

Feaster should not be groveling to teams with these kinds of offers on the table. He should be purposely stringing them along and giving them the silent treatment. Guaranteed that Boston said something along the lines of "this is our best offer, take it or leave it". Feaster said "I'll get back to you after speaking with Iggy".

Screw Boston. Don't give them an inch in these circumstances.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by valo403

Feaster could very well have been told that Iginla would not speak with anyone. You're reaching to point fingers.

Not reaching at all. Simply reporting what we know--which is what Chiarelli has said. His actual words. You're actually the only one speculating.

[FlamesAddiction]

According to MacKenzie, his Bruin sources were adament that the deal wasn't done, and that was even after Ward said it was. If that is the case, Chiarelli knew there was a still a hold up.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Calls Boston and tells them Iginla picked Pitt
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

I think you're close, Jiri.

It's an assumption that Iginla restricted the list to only Pittsburgh though. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that Feaster was working on multiple offers, with the Pittsburgh one coming in after the Boston one. Both offers then both get presented to Jarome and he picks one.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by blankall

Boston was low balling Calgary. When someone low balls you, the correct course of action is to treat them like dirt and be as silent as possible. Any other action makes you look weak. You have to be tough in negotiations like this. It's not about being friendly or courteous. Next time Boston will know that they need to make a better offer if they expect the red carpet treatment.

Feaster should not be groveling to teams with these kinds of offers on the table. He should be purposely stringing them along and giving them the silent treatment. Guaranteed that Boston said something along the lines of "this is our best offer, take it or leave it". Feaster said "I'll get back to you after speaking with Iggy".

Screw Boston. Don't give them an inch in these circumstances.

Chiarelli reported that the deal had been agreed upon. So, the Flames obviously didn't feel they were being low-balled, or that they needed to stick it to the Bruins in any way. When a deal is in place, that generally means substantive negotiations are over, so everything you are saying is totally irrelevant to this specific instance.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by moon

What proof is there of owners stopping Feaster from doing want BS?

He has been very vocal about him believing in going for play-offs, he being a GM not for a rebuild and him thinking answers are in room/play-off team.

If Feaster didn't believe that and was just doing what ownership forced him to do then he is an idiot for being so forceful in expressing his views like he did.

I'm sure King spoke with Feaster about the overall direction of the team when he interviewed for the job. And if Feaster said he wanted to rebuild, he doesn't get hired. Anyone who thinks the strategic direction of this team is in Feaster's hands is delusional.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by liamenator

Not reaching at all. Simply reporting what we know--which is what Chiarelli has said. His actual words. You're actually the only one speculating.

What's the direct quote? Did PC say "Jay Feaster refused to let me talk to Jarome Iginla"? Or, did he say "We asked to talk to Iginla and were told no"?

If you're taking the latter as a statement that Feaster refused to allow it you are quite clearly speculating on the source of the refusal.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Not really, at that point you still have a few days, you can imply to Iginla that you are not prepared to do the deal with the Pens, you try to get some pressure on him, you also let the Pens dangle, adding pressure to them knowing that Boston is in the mix.

In the meantime Chiarelli blows his wad on Ryan Clowe, and suddenly Shero says "weelllll, we're going to make that 1st round pick conditional, Jay."

That's the danger.

[powderjunkie]

I think the Pit and Bos deals were probably on the table at the same time, and Feaster took them to Iggy/Meehan.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fascinating stuff.

So let me try and take another crack at how this went down

- Iginla and/or agent supply Calgary with the list – it includes both Pitt and Boston
- But player still has to sign-off on final deal when done
- Flames/Bruins agree on deal. Feaster figures its done since Boston is on the list. Both teams are confident enough that they scratch players.
- Deal is taken to Iginla camp
- Iginla camp says no. Has to be Pitt.
- Feaster now stuck. If word gets out that Iginla has picked only Pitt he’s got zero leverage. He can't call Boston to let them know because if he does the word is out that it is Pitt and Pitt alone.
- Calls Pitt and makes the best deal he can in short order
- Calls Boston and tells them Iginla picked Pitt
- Boston out of luck, Feaster’s hands forced.

Basically if I’m interpreting this all correctly – at some point Iginla’s list went from a few teams to one. Which is his right, but it certainly limited the likely return.

That's certainly a possibility. Maybe even the most likely one.
Here's another possibility though: the plan was always to have Iginla submit a list, for the team to then negotiate the best offer it can from each team on that list, have the organization approve all of the offers it can live with, and then from that short list, allow Iginla to make his choice.
So, Flames brass meets yesterday morning, Boston and Pittsburgh offers are approved, Iginla is given this short list, and from that he picks Pittsburgh. Through the process, Feaster is keeping his cards close to his vest, not telling the teams involved that Iginla would have final say, which would ruin his bargaining position. Boston learns they've been approved by the Flames, and not understanding the internal process they think this means they've won, they happily leak these rumours. Meanwhile, Iginla takes this decision home, meets with his family, choses Pittsburgh, and lets the organization know sometime during the game.

[$ven27]

Turns on NHL 13, trades him to Pittsburgh, pauses it on a scene with Iginla, cries.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

its like having the first pick in the second rd

at worst its one better than that...not sure what you expected, Florida's first

[Flash Walken]

Chiarelli Press Conference:
http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=pipe42/lates...#pipe42/latest

[Flash Walken]

Feaster latest video:
http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=pipe42/lates...#pipe42/latest

[Stay Golden]

Feaster a month ago went to Iginla and said based on on how the season is going would you be open to a trade to a better situation.
Meehan and Iggy came up with a list of 4.
So like these situations go the Flames start talking to the 4.

It sounded like it was 3 out the 4 teams responded with deals.
Thats is out of Feaster's yapper.

It would appear that Boston and Calgary came to a deal, imo a much better deal.
Then Feaster doesn't rubber stamp it and let Iggy know the deal has been completed to Boston.
Then what Iggy says no i really only want to go to PIT. Wtf. Its a list of 4 you gave us to work with.
Either way the Boston deal was better and besides Feaster should have let Boston and PIT stew about it over the entire weekend if need be.
The offers from both teams would have gotten better.
If Iginla was steadfast its PIT or nothing then Feaster should have said they need to sweeten this offer because its not as good as the Boston offer. Iginla and that troll Meehan don't need to know the details of either offer.
We have to do what is best for the team and the PIT deal just isn't there.
But we will do our best to keep negotiating with PIT and get you there.

Instead we have what we have a 28th to 30th pick a former 3rd and a 5th from PIT.
F&W you failed. You crashed and burned just like Flames fans feared you would.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Boston learns they've been approved by the Flames, and not understanding the internal process they think this means they've won, they happily leak these rumours.

Chiarelly claimed he was TOLD by Feaster that they "won the sweep takes", not that they figured that out on their own. Which makes Jiri's scenario more realistic. Seems like Iginla's last minute decision was a surprise for Feaster as well.

[Jacks]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pittsburg was the only team on the "list" to begin with and the other teams were only talked about to give them negotiating power.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by octothorp

That's certainly a possibility. Maybe even the most likely one.
Here's another possibility though: the plan was always to have Iginla submit a list, for the team to then negotiate the best offer it can from each team on that list, have the organization approve all of the offers it can live with, and then from that short list, allow Iginla to make his choice.
So, Flames brass meets yesterday morning, Boston and Pittsburgh offers are approved, Iginla is given this short list, and from that he picks Pittsburgh. Through the process, Feaster is keeping his cards close to his vest, not telling the teams involved that Iginla would have final say, which would ruin his bargaining position. Boston learns they've been approved by the Flames, and not understanding the internal process they think this means they've won, they happily leak these rumours. Meanwhile, Iginla takes this decision home, meets with his family, choses Pittsburgh, and lets the organization know sometime during the game.

Yes! 1000x this.

I've half-typed that post out several times only to back out. Out of thanks for you.

My only quibble would be whether the competing teams would know whether Jarome would have the final say. Doesn't having a NMC/NTC clause ensure that he does? My expectation in this case is Boston didn't think there was a solid competing offer, and perhaps there wasn't because Pittsburgh a) had already acquired Morrow and b) made their offer very late.

[Ozy_Flame]

Anyone else get the feeling this is the route we're going down over the next 5 years?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Anyone else get the feeling this is the route we're going down over the next 5 years?

No fate but what we make.