[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

Feaster handcuffed the flames, destroyed them worse then the Phaneuf or Regher deals.

Feaster by approaching Iginla about a trade destroyed any chance of him resigning in Calgary, backed Ignla in a corner from which Iggy turned the tables by playing the NMC/NTC hard. The bidding war did not matter.

It's okay, take a deep breath.

Now think, did Feaster really have a chance on this one? If you say yes, well do you think Feaster is the only one who was involved in the decision making?

[jammies]

I have but one thing to say: TSN looks like a bunch of Sportsnets this morning.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I am not sure why you bother posting, since you are obviously only interested in arguing with yourself. You should probably just go talk to a mirror.

Whether or not Feaster made the right move will be determined by what the three players who end up in our system achieve. If assuming failure makes you feel better about yourself, then that is your curse. I will wait and see with an open mind.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[miraisoup]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...a-picked-pens/

[Enoch Root]

First thought on the trade was that I was thrilled that it was Pitt. As a hockey fan, I want t see Iggy play with Crosby.

For the return, it was really important that the first isn't conditional (and that it is 2013). THere is a pretty good chance that Pitt doesn't re-sign him and if the pick were conditional, the return would have been a debacle of monumental proportions

As for the prospects, I am happy to get a RW with some size. Otherwise they are underwhelming.

If it was always really a list of one team, then Feaster handled it poorly and should have got it done quicker, before the bottom fell out.

I don't agree that the Boston offer was better - just as bad. The D-guy is garbage and Koko is not exactly a sure-fire NHLer. THe conditional was a non-sarter.

But I think the most important thing about this trade is that the organization can now move forward. And it's good that there is time to get some more deals done.

[Tinordi]

Agreed Enoch on the offers, both bad.

Looks like Flames negotiated against themselves instead of Boston or Pitts having the urgency instead. In the end the limited "list" and the player's NTC basically vetoing any deal significantly reduced his value as I argued in another thread and was jumped all over for by the usual suspects.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

Feaster handcuffed the flames, destroyed them worse then the Phaneuf or Regher deals.

Feaster by approaching Iginla about a trade destroyed any chance of him resigning in Calgary, backed Ignla in a corner from which Iggy turned the tables by playing the NMC/NTC hard. The bidding war did not matter.

GM'ing ain't easy.

[SofaProfessor]

I would not want to be Feaster today. Either you pull the trigger on a trade or you keep Iggy until the end of a season that's over already in terms of making a playoff run and get nothing. So you make a trade. The offers aren't great but you take the one with a sure first round draft pick in the upcoming deep draft. You know if you trade Iggy, no one will think the return is worth it. He's a legend. If you had kept him and he left for nothing everyone will be calling for your head this summer.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

Feaster handcuffed the flames, destroyed them worse then the Phaneuf or Regher deals.

Feaster by approaching Iginla about a trade destroyed any chance of him resigning in Calgary, backed Ignla in a corner from which Iggy turned the tables by playing the NMC/NTC hard. The bidding war did not matter.

How did he handcuff the Flames? Handcuffing the Flames would have been extending Iginla for 4 more years at a Doan like rate.

Feaster approached Iginla with an extension at a cheaper rate, Iginla declined, and Feaster had to move him.

Moving forward the Flames are better off with even just an extra first rounder then we are with Iginla for another 15 games, or for another 4 years at > $6 million.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Agreed Enoch on the offers, both bad.

Looks like Flames negotiated against themselves instead of Boston or Pitts having the urgency instead. In the end the limited "list" and the player's NTC basically vetoing any deal significantly reduced his value as I argued in another thread and was jumped all over for by the usual suspects.

Just curious what you would have done with a 16 year player that had NTC / NMC?

I understand people are not happy with the return. However, people need to stop pretending like they'd be able to run over Iginla's contractual rights and other NHL GMs like it was nothing.

[boggledepot]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Can't help but play the what if game.

How far further ahead would this team have been with Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn on the roster for the past two full seasons?

You reap what you sow.

Probably exactly where we are sitting now. In the basement.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Just curious what you would have done with a 16 year player that had NTC / NMC?

I understand people are not happy with the return. However, people need to stop pretending like they'd be able to run over Iginla's contractual rights and other NHL GMs like it was nothing.

I'm not saying I would have done anything different, I was saying for a while now (for the past year) that we will not be getting nearly the type of return for Iginla that many people expected. I'm just explaining, in the aftermath why that was. The point was to actually defend management in this immediate instance, no ball was dropped this week, the market value for Iginla was what it was for a variety of reasons.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by JazzyFlame

Feaster by approaching Iginla about a trade destroyed any chance of him resigning in Calgary.

I don't think Iggy was signing with the Flames anyway.

I didn't want to be another Orange Julius guy so I kept it to myself but shortly after the lockout ended my mom told me that one of her new co-workers who is from Calgary told her that his brother knows Iggy and one night after having one too many Iggy told him that this was his last year as a Flame and that he was going to go to a contender.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Just curious what you would have done with a 16 year player that had NTC / NMC?

I understand people are not happy with the return. However, people need to stop pretending like they'd be able to run over Iginla's contractual rights and other NHL GMs like it was nothing.

I would have held out longer for a better return.

Pittsburgh has shown that they were being aggressive and going for it this year.

I think you put the pressure on them they would have given up a better prospect rather than risk losing Iginla.

Tough to know for certain but pretty hard to think that this is the best they can get for him.

[cannon7]

Agostino looks like a solid pick-up, even if he was a 3rd round pick. He's a 20 ear old leading his NCAA squad in scoring, albeit a relatively weak one. Hanowski looks like a dark horse pick-up, he has a strong 2011-12 campaign but his production dropped sharply this year. Also, being a 22 year old you expect more in the NCAA. He does have more size than Agostino, so he might have a future as a 3rd line winger some day.

Assuming the Flames' draft position doesn't change much (I.e. able to grab Seth Jones, for example) -- I'm now hoping the Flames go after Alexandr Barkov. Barkov looks like a top-line center of the future, and he's not your typical Russian -- he's a Finnish born Russian -- which is the best kind of Russian. He also has size (6'4") and amazing hands.

That Pens pick could very well be a 30th overall with how stacked the Pens roster is now.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by moon

I would have held out longer for a better return.

Pittsburgh has shown that they were being aggressive and going for it this year.

I think you put the pressure on them they would have given up a better prospect rather than risk losing Iginla.

Tough to know for certain but pretty hard to think that this is the best they can get for him.

Right, because Calgary had all that leverage to use. The options were either trade him to Pittsburgh or lose him for nothing. Quite the bargaining power.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Agostino looks like a solid pick-up, even if he was a 3rd round pick. He's a 20 ear old leading his NCAA squad in scoring, albeit a relatively weak one. Hanowski looks like a dark horse pick-up, he has a strong 2011-12 campaign but his production dropped sharply this year. Also, being a 22 year old you expect more in the NCAA. He does have more size than Agostino, so he might have a future as a 3rd line winger some day.

Assuming the Flames' draft position doesn't change much (I.e. able to grab Seth Jones, for example) -- I'm now hoping the Flames go after Alexandr Barkov. Barkov looks like a top-line center of the future, and he's not your typical Russian -- he's a Finnish born Russian -- which is the best kind of Russian. He also has size (6'4") and amazing hands.

That Pens pick could very well be a 30th overall with how stacked the Pens roster is now.

I look at it as the Flames basically recouped their 2nd rounder.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by moon

I would have held out longer for a better return.

Pittsburgh has shown that they were being aggressive and going for it this year.

I think you put the pressure on them they would have given up a better prospect rather than risk losing Iginla.

Tough to know for certain but pretty hard to think that this is the best they can get for him.

I get the feeling that Joe Morrow was one of the pieces in a deal for Iginla and when the Stars swooped in and snapped him up Feaster decided he needed to pull the trigger before losing out on anything else. Not to say Agostino/Hanowski were those assets, but the 1st might have been.

The other thought I have was that Feaster was specitically going after forward prospects. Because the Pens still have a few intruiging defensive prospects like Pouliot. Hard to say.

Honestly Agostino/Hanowski would not be guys I'd target as building blocks for the future -- but the Flames scouting staff may disagree.

[Badgers Nose]

It was a crap trade and this team is doomed forever.

Two latter round picks for Iggy and the 1st from the probable President's Trophy winner sucks.

At least with Boston there was a chance of getting former 1st or 2nd round picks and a draft pick.

[moon]

Originally Posted by valo403

Right, because Calgary had all that leverage to use. The options were either trade him to Pittsburgh or lose him for nothing. Quite the bargaining power.

Well if Pittsburgh wanted the best team their option was trade for Iginla or get much lesser guy so they are not exactly in a strong spot either.

Both teams wanted to make a deal and made sense to make a deal that worked for both.

Are Pittsburgh in a good spot if they lose out in Iginka to keep Harrington that may make your team in 2 years and probably never impacts a chance at a Cup like Iginla will this year.

Also not sure that Pittsburgh would know they are only team.