[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st - Page 87 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Badgers Nose · 03-28-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Right, because Calgary had all that leverage to use. The options were either trade him to Pittsburgh or lose him for nothing. Quite the bargaining power.

Feaster had time. If that is the only thing you have, why not use it?

I don't see the other teams making any big trades today... seems like he had at least one more day.

Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 03-28-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

I look at it as the Flames basically recouped their 2nd rounder.

I would also not discount the fact that they have another first round pick to use in bargaining. For example, a draft day trade of JBo + First round pick (from Pitt) for a team's higher (top 5?) first round would be a trade I'd be happy to see.

Bottom line is Feaster has something to work with, and he's not left empty handed the way he could have been if the deadline had passed.

dino7c · 03-28-2013, 10:52 AM

a first rounder is a first rounder it not 2nd rounder...there are more than 30 good players in the draft

Tinordi · 03-28-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Well if Pittsburgh wanted the best team their option was trade for Iginla or get much lesser guy so they are not exactly in a strong spot either.

Both teams wanted to make a deal and made sense to make a deal that worked for both.

Are Pittsburgh in a good spot if they lose out in Iginka to keep Harrington that may make your team in 2 years and probably never impacts a chance at a Cup like Iginla will this year.

Also not sure that Pittsburgh would know they are only team.

Sigh. Pittsburgh knowing or not wouldn't have mattered. They had NO incentive to sweeten their offer because the quality of the offer wasn't the deciding factor. The player's preference was the only factor that mattered which meant that Pittsburgh knew that they didn't need to sweeten the pot any more than to convince the Flames to trade him.

The Flames were in the position to either trade or not trade, their parameters were to basically save face by returning notional value. Organizational reputation was what they were maximizing, not return.

Francis's Hairpiece · 03-28-2013, 10:53 AM

Button said on TSN that Hankowski is a UFA after this year. What's the likelihood he pulls a Schultz on us?

dino7c · 03-28-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It was a crap trade and this team is doomed forever.

Two latter round picks for Iggy and the 1st from the probable President's Trophy winner sucks.

At least with Boston there was a chance of getting former 1st or 2nd round picks and a draft pick.

such a dumb argument...it doesn't matter where a player is picked

Husky · 03-28-2013, 10:54 AM

Players picked in the final 5 spots of the 1st round since the 2008-2010 draft are (and are decent or have potential still).

Tyler Ennis
John Carlson
Kyle Palmieri
Dylan Olsen
Carter Ashton
Simon Despres
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Charlie Coyle
Emerson Etem
Brock Nelson

Decent picks IMO. Plus you have all those early 2nd round guys that seem to have made impacts like RoR.

Flash Walken · 03-28-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Button said on TSN that Hankowski is a UFA after this year. What's the likelihood he pulls a Schultz on us?

opendoor previously posted that both players will be free agents.

ComixZone · 03-28-2013, 10:55 AM

To those slamming Feaster over the return...what did you expect?

Ownership's direction and actions over the past few seasons made this an inevitability.

Talk about pride leading to the downfall. The organization's own arrogance has put the team in such dire straits...

This is ground zero, we start building from the dirt up, and right now we're 6 feet under. Should be an interesting journey to the top.

afc wimbledon · 03-28-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How did he handcuff the Flames? Handcuffing the Flames would have been extending Iginla for 4 more years at a Doan like rate.

Feaster approached Iginla with an extension at a cheaper rate, Iginla declined, and Feaster had to move him.

Moving forward the Flames are better off with even just an extra first rounder then we are with Iginla for another 15 games, or for another 4 years at > $6 million.

How did Feaster handcuff the team? by not making a realistic assesment of the team 3 years ago and starting the process then.

I never expected much from the trade at this point, this trade should have been made 2 years ago, it is criminal that it wasn't made in the off season, nothing has changed between now and last year, they were not a playoff team then, they arn't now, if the reason for trading Iginla was because the team wern't a playoff team then this should have been decided seasons ago.

Resolute 14 · 03-28-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It was a crap trade and this team is doomed forever.

Two latter round picks for Iggy and the 1st from the probable President's Trophy winner sucks.

At least with Boston there was a chance of getting former 1st or 2nd round picks and a draft pick.

Matt Pelech is a former first round pick.

T. J. Brodie is a former fifth round pick.

ComixZone · 03-28-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

How did Feaster handcuff the team? by not making a realistic assesment of the team 3 years ago and starting the process then.

I never expected much from the trade at this point, this trade should have been made 2 years ago, it is criminal that it wasn't made in the off season, nothing has changed between now and last year, they were not a playoff team then, they arn't now, if the reason for trading Iginla was because the team wern't a playoff team then this should have been decided seasons ago.

That was not his call. That was ownership's decision.

JiriHrdina · 03-28-2013, 10:56 AM

I don't think the Flames were willing to move on from Iggy until he basically told them he was moving on.

Which is on the organization. I think they really thought Iggy was going to be here for life.

Thankfully #12 finally told them otherwise and started the ball rolling.

Ozy_Flame · 03-28-2013, 10:57 AM

Can you imagine what Agostino and Hanowski must be feeling? These guys were wee kids when Iggy started his career and now they're being traded for a guy who these youngsters probably looked up to as a complete hockey player. I can't imagine the feeling that must be when you're traded for a legend like that.

transplant99 · 03-28-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think it's likely Pittsburgh offered Morrow + to Calgary before offering it to Dallas. Calgary likely turned it down expected a bigger price.

Nope...Pittsburgh never made their offer until yesterday.

Jebus · 03-28-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

How did Feaster handcuff the team? by not making a realistic assesment of the team 3 years ago and starting the process then.

I never expected much from the trade at this point, this trade should have been made 2 years ago, it is criminal that it wasn't made in the off season, nothing has changed between now and last year, they were not a playoff team then, they arn't now, if the reason for trading Iginla was because the team wern't a playoff team then this should have been decided seasons ago.

Three years ago Feaster was taking over for a fired GM and couldn't possibly blow it up at that time.
Two years ago the ownership group denied him the ability to blow it up and demanded playoffs, refusing to see the team for waht it was.
This year, the changes begin.

It has taken Feaster and crew two years to convince the owners to allow this to happen.

But go ahead and keep those blinders on. It's only Feaster running the ship with no accountability or superiors. Rabble.

valo403 · 03-28-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

Well if Pittsburgh wanted the best team their option was trade for Iginla or get much lesser guy so they are not exactly in a strong spot either.

Both teams wanted to make a deal and made sense to make a deal that worked for both.

Are Pittsburgh in a good spot if they lose out in Iginka to keep Harrington that may make your team in 2 years and probably never impacts a chance at a Cup like Iginla will this year.

Also not sure that Pittsburgh would know they are only team.

a) Pittsburgh was well aware that it was between them and Boston. They're also well aware of what Boston has to offer.

b) Pittsburgh was already looking like the favorite in the East and had strengthened their team, they could afford to pass.

I love this criticism. People would be losing their #### if Iginla left for nothing. If anything waiting would put more pressure on the Flames, they were the one s who were looking at getting nothing.

FlamesAddiction · 03-28-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

a first rounder is a first rounder it not 2nd rounder...there are more than 30 good players in the draft

If you look at past drafts though, the number of impact players diminishes quite quickly after the first half of the 1st round. The difference between a late 1st round pick and any 2nd round pick is a lot less drastic that the difference between an early/mid 1st round pick and a late 1st round pick.

Once you get past the top 20 or so, there isn't a lot separating players taken between 20 and 60 where there is a lot of hair splitting.

afc wimbledon · 03-28-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

That was not his call. That was ownership's decision.

When your owners are wrong a GM is supposed to beat them over the head with the truth until it sinks in, not try and fit an extra 3 inches of his head their jacksy.

valo403 · 03-28-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Feaster had time. If that is the only thing you have, why not use it?

I don't see the other teams making any big trades today... seems like he had at least one more day.

Ha, yeah he had time to paint himself into an even more desperate situation. Let's be clear, the Flames were not the ones holding any cards here.