[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[badradio]

Eric Francis is coming off as a complete ######... even MORE than usual...

[868904]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

This is a brutal, brutal trade. The Boston one was just as bad - if the first rounder hadn't been conditional, then it'd have been passable. But this one? A pick that will likely be 25th overall or worse, and two prospects who, if you're lucky, MIGHT play a role the NHL. You'd actually be doing pretty well if either one of them did. Why do this deal now? Was it going to go away if you waited until Wednesday and took the interim time to explore other options? I don't think so. Possibly drive the price up by another pick by delaying? It couldn't hurt to at least try.

This is just brutal for the biggest asset available at the deadline.

Still better than trading him to Vancouver.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by badradio

Eric Francis is coming off as a complete ######... even MORE than usual...

Appropriate Username.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Flames fans clearly overvalue Iginla only due to emotional attachment. The price paid was a fair one given the difficult circumstances of the deal. It's a painful loss to the Pens' future, but they have to make hay while the sun shines. But still difficult to part with those prospects...

Said absolutely no Pens fan ever.

First reply to the news on letsgopens forums:
"How did Shero just get Jarome ****ing Iginla for less than Morrow?"

The people who follow the Pens do not seem to place any value at all on the prospects the Flames got back.

And a quick look through drafts since 2000 or so shows that the biggest impact player chosen at 30th overall in the last 13 years is Dave Steckel. In terms of getting talent, there is usually a very large drop-off after the middle of the 1st round. A late 1st really is no better than a 2nd rounder, which means you are doing well to draft an NHL player at all from that position.

There is a very good chance that the total NHL impact of all the players returned in the trade for Iginla will be less than the two guys we just passed up on waivers earlier that day.

[Mike F]

Incredibly low this morning.

The thing that's really hit home is what it's meant to have Iginla as "The Face of the Franchise".

It's hard to overstate how great Iginla was for the Flames. He's been one of the best players in the league for over a decade, one of the most prolific goal scorers, a first team all-star, a Hart Trophy candidate, and Olympic hero. He's played not just with world class skill, but with grit, heart, class, and humility. He's scored the biggest goals, dropped the gloves when needed, and treated everyone he's come in contact with with respect. There are and have been tonnes of great players in the league, but Iginla has been amongst the rarest of players who have earned the respect of even the bitterest of their rivals. A guy like Crosby is undeniably one of if not the most skilled players in a generation, but rivals can demean his greatness by calling him a whiner, or embellisher. Not Iginla. At the height of our rivalries with Canucks or Oilers fans, they've always had to tip their caps to The Captain.

Because of all of that, while the Flames have had many more downs than ups in the last 16 years, I've always been able to walk around the streets of BC wearing a Flames sweater with pride, because it came with the aura of Iginla.

This morning.... This team has a dark present, on its way to likely a 4th year out of the playoffs, and an at best murky a future, with just one or two real prospects in the wings. I'm still a Flames fan, and always will be, but today I'm not sure why I should be proud of that.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

And you can keep telling yourself that Feaster is making the right moves, it doesn't mean its true.

I am not sure why you bother posting, since you are obviously only interested in arguing with yourself. You should probably just go talk to a mirror.

Whether or not Feaster made the right move will be determined by what the three players who end up in our system achieve. If assuming failure makes you feel better about yourself, then that is your curse. I will wait and see with an open mind.

[YYC in LAX]

I'll never forget the first #### I took after Iggy got traded. It was 15 minutes ago and I just sat there on the toilet in sad/happy disbelief reading all the twitter comments and updates.

[Ned Braden]

Here's the thing: you complain about the trade because the low 1st rounder isn't good enough. But you can't do that and have been arguing that Feaster needed to blow things up and get what he could get for Iginlia. You're not getting a top 10 pick for Iginla, because what non-playoff team is trading for Iginla's expiring contract? If you don't want a low first-rounder, your position is try to sign Iginla and risk him walking for nothing even though he probably won't be part of the next good Flames team.

I think it's a pretty good trade.

[UKflames]

It amazes me the number of people that are complaining about the 1st round pick that we got in the deal and that it could end up being the 30th pick, duh what did you expect when you are trading with a team that is going to be contending for the cup.

The pick was always going to be a low pick with the teams that we could negoitiate with, come on.

[Icon]

Wish we still had our 2nd... picking 25-30th overall and then again ~35th would've been nice.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Ned Braden

Here's the thing: you complain about the trade because the low 1st rounder isn't good enough. But you can't do that and have been arguing that Feaster needed to blow things up and get what he could get for Iginlia. You're not getting a top 10 pick for Iginla, because what non-playoff team is trading for Iginla's expiring contract? If you don't want a low first-rounder, your position is try to sign Iginla and risk him walking for nothing even though he probably won't be part of the next Flames team.

I think it's a pretty good trade.

I don't think any rational person can be complaining about the low 1st round pick. The 1st round pick was always expected to be a part of any Iginla trade.

What is disappointing is the precieved lack of quality in the prospects coming back.

[Fire]

Looking at this trade from a Penguins perspective. It is only a success if they win the Stanley Cup. Anything else and the trade is a loser for them.

[Dorkmaster]

This trade is kinda funny, because I feel like if the Bruins made a significantly better offer, Feaster would've just made it without asking Jarome again.

I guess this is what you get when you try to make picks conditional. You lose your target and he ends up with a rival.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

This trade is kinda funny, because I feel like if the Bruins made a significantly better offer, Feaster would've just made it without asking Jarome again.

I guess this is what you get when you try to make picks conditional. You lose your target and he ends up with a rival.

I don't think the submitted list by Iginla qualified as giving clearance through his NMC. He'd need to ask Iginla to qualify it either way.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't think any rational person can be complaining about the low 1st round pick. The 1st round pick was always expected to be a part of any Iginla trade.

What is disappointing is the precieved lack of quality in the prospects coming back.

Exactly. The first round pick was always going to be 20-30. That's fine. The problem is that that shouldn't be the best thing Calgary got in the deal. Had the Bruins offer been a non-conditional first, that would be what I would've expected, roughtly. A first tier (though not a blue-chip level) centre prospect, a late first, and either a lower pick or a second tier prospect. In the Boston deal, Kohklachev was the centrepiece and the first was a sweetener.

This is a late first and two second tier prospects. That is crap.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Ned Braden

Here's the thing: you complain about the trade because the low 1st rounder isn't good enough. But you can't do that and have been arguing that Feaster needed to blow things up and get what he could get for Iginlia. You're not getting a top 10 pick for Iginla, because what non-playoff team is trading for Iginla's expiring contract?

Supposedly Feaster's demands were a top prospect, a decent prospect, and a 1st.

I think the top prospect was the most important part of the return. I would have rather seen Feaster leave both the 1st and the middling prospect on the table rather than give up on getting a top prospect.

A late 1st rounder is just not that valuable, as no reasonable person should have been saying "It doesnt matter who we get back as long as we get a pick where, historically speaking, we'd be lucky to get a serviceable NHLer". The calibre of the best prospect coming back was going to determine the success or failure of this deal. And by that scale, this was a terrible deal.

Honest to god, I would rather have had Kaspars Daugavins and Jussi Jokinen off of waivers, over the return that they actually got.

[868904]

I prefer the Pens package to the Bruins, the conditional aspect of t he 1st for the Bruins offer was insulting. Koklachev is as big a risk as the two guys the Flames got. Would I have preferred one of Pittsburgh' defense prospects? Yes but even they have warts. After trading Morrow, I doubt Pouliot and Dumoulin were available (pens can't ravage their AHL team in Dumoulin's case) and Maata and Harrington are pretty vanilla, even less high end potential than the college boys.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

This trade is kinda funny, because I feel like if the Bruins made a significantly better offer, Feaster would've just made it without asking Jarome again.

I guess this is what you get when you try to make picks conditional. You lose your target and he ends up with a rival.

I love that the Bruins missed out especially when you think back to Chiarelli's whining about the price being too high. He offered a crap package cause he wanted a home run and he missed big. Looks good on him.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

This trade is kinda funny, because I feel like if the Bruins made a significantly better offer, Feaster would've just made it without asking Jarome again.

I guess this is what you get when you try to make picks conditional. You lose your target and he ends up with a rival.

Submitting a list of teams you would consider is not the same as waiving your NMC. Feaster was never going to have the ability to make that deal without asking Iginla again.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by 868904

I prefer the Pens package to the Bruins, the conditional aspect of t he 1st for the Bruins offer was insulting. Koklachev is as big a risk as the two guys the Flames got.

This is probably the reason I'm happier with the Pens offer. The 1st seemed to be the starting point and as soon as that hit "Conditional", things got tough to bear. I actually don't mind the two prospects coming back...Khokhlachev seemed like a huge gamble. Fair enough that he's got higher upside that either Agostino and Hanowski, but I think there's a good chance that Khokhlachev does bust and become a "good career AHLer"...I'd be willing to bet that it's more likely that one of the two of the above make the NHL to some calibre.

Plus, always gives us hope that it's a few months and done type of deal. Iginla wins Cup, nets the Flames a 1st and 2 prospects, returns to the Flames. I can dream, can't I?