[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't think any rational person can be complaining about the low 1st round pick. The 1st round pick was always expected to be a part of any Iginla trade.

What is disappointing is the precieved lack of quality in the prospects coming back.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am glad they ended up getting a 1st, as I was of the belief that the team might prefer a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Having a 1st coming back has been a pleasant surprise for me.

[Ned Braden]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The funny thing is that nowhere in the post did I say "what we got is good".

One needs to look at the context of the situation to understand why the return was what it was.

The organization is paying for past mistakes - namely not doing this sooner.

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Supposedly Feaster's demands were a top prospect, a decent prospect, and a 1st.

I think the top prospect was the most important part of the return. I would have rather seen Feaster leave both the 1st and the middling prospect on the table rather than give up on getting a top prospect.

Honest to god, I would rather have had Kaspars Daugavins and Jussi Jokinen off of waivers, over the return that they actually got.

Those were good demands, but I don't think they were plausible. With a salary cap, blue chip prospects are almost never traded. Would you give up an A prospect for a couple months of a 36-year-old player who frankly isn't an elite player anymore? Thinking you're getting a top prospect and a first rounder is daydream believing.

You can fairly argue that they could have gotten more 2 years ago. Now? I'm not buying it. Especially given Iginla's NTC, I don't think he could have gotten significantly more. And would I take this over letting him walk for nothing? Yes.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Submitting a list of teams you would consider is not the same as waiving your NMC. Feaster was never going to have the ability to make that deal without asking Iginla again.

Exactly. Iginla didn't waive his NTC until sometime last night.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Eric Francis: I think up until a week ago Murray Edwards thought Jarome Iginla would retire as a Calgary Flame.

I bet he still does. Might be 4-5 years from now, but could happen.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ned Braden

Those were good demands, but I don't think they were plausible. With a salary cap, blue chip prospects are almost never traded. Would you give up an A prospect for a couple months of a 36-year-old player who frankly isn't an elite player anymore? Thinking you're getting a top prospect and a first rounder is daydream believing.

You can fairly argue that they could have gotten more 2 years ago. Now? I'm not buying it. Especially given Iginla's NTC, I don't think he could have gotten significantly more. And would I take this over letting him walk for nothing? Yes.

I think it's likely Pittsburgh offered Morrow + to Calgary before offering it to Dallas. Calgary likely turned it down expected a bigger price.

[Zulu29]

Well I'm happy we got a first, even if it was late. Gives us the option of trading up in the draft. The two prospects we got not so much. Ill admit that I know nothing about them but that's what makes me nervous. Ill be surprised if either of them plays a significant role with the flames down the road.

[DuffMan]

Wonder what the mood is like in Boston? they must be like wtf happened, also.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am glad they ended up getting a 1st, as I was of the belief that the team might prefer a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Having a 1st coming back has been a pleasant surprise for me.

I suspect that is what the Boston offer amounted to. First rounder if Iggy re-signs, second if he doesn't. Assuming Iginla left because the Bruins had no cap space, it would have been prospects and a lower pick.

[Fire]

What will the return the Flames received for Iginla look like in 5 years.

My percentages I pulled out of my arse:

No NHL players - 25%
One NHL player - 50%
Two NHL players - 20%
Three NHL players - 5%

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Wonder what the mood is like in Boston? they must be like wtf happened, also.

i expect them to pull the trigger on several deals today.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I suspect that is what the Boston offer amounted to. First rounder if Iggy re-signs, second if he doesn't. Assuming Iginla left because the Bruins had no cap space, it would have been prospects and a lower pick.

Makes sense.

Probably offered the same as they did for Brendan Morrow, the Russian + 2nd was the reported offer to Dallas for Morrow.

Pretty much the same offer to Calgary with the conditional 1st. Perhaps slightly better deal to Dallas initially.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fire

What will the return the Flames received for Iginla look like in 5 years.

My percentages I pulled out of my arse:

No NHL players - 25%
One NHL player - 50%
Two NHL players - 20%
Three NHL players - 5%

Mine are:
None: 80%
One: 20%

[d_phaneuf]

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 868904

I prefer the Pens package to the Bruins, the conditional aspect of t he 1st for the Bruins offer was insulting. Koklachev is as big a risk as the two guys the Flames got. Would I have preferred one of Pittsburgh' defense prospects? Yes but even they have warts. After trading Morrow, I doubt Pouliot and Dumoulin were available (pens can't ravage their AHL team in Dumoulin's case) and Maata and Harrington are pretty vanilla, even less high end potential than the college boys.

I don't think either of the trade proposals were good. Feaster should have had the Russian kid from Boston and a guaranteed 1st in the Boston proposal, and should have had Despres and a guaranteed first in the Pitt proposal. He failed in both proposals.

I will give you that Morrow already being traded from the Pens probably had a big influence on what Pitt was willing to give up going forward, but that then lies on Feaster for not making the trade earlier.

[FlamesAddiction]

It is a great time to be a hockey fan in Abottsford (or Utica), that is for sure.

[Galakanokis]

Could be worse, we could have gotten what the Leafs got for Sundin.

My gut tells me Jarome was leaving regardless this off season so the fact we got something is a positive. Now we just need to add a few more assets and away we go building for the future.

I think we see a much different team on the ice moving forward.

[Tinordi]

Can't help but play the what if game.

How far further ahead would this team have been with Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn on the roster for the past two full seasons?

You reap what you sow.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

This is a brutal, brutal trade. The Boston one was just as bad - if the first rounder hadn't been conditional, then it'd have been passable. But this one? A pick that will likely be 25th overall or worse, and two prospects who, if you're lucky, MIGHT play a role the NHL. You'd actually be doing pretty well if either one of them did. Why do this deal now? Was it going to go away if you waited until Wednesday and took the interim time to explore other options? I don't think so. Possibly drive the price up by another pick by delaying? It couldn't hurt to at least try.

This is just brutal for the biggest asset available at the deadline.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Explore what other options? Iginla had final say on where he went, the teams he reportedly was willing to go to played their hands and he decided he wanted to go to Pittsburgh.

They had no leverage from which to deal. You know enough to know what happens to someone in that position.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Supposedly Feaster's demands were a top prospect, a decent prospect, and a 1st.

I think the top prospect was the most important part of the return. I would have rather seen Feaster leave both the 1st and the middling prospect on the table rather than give up on getting a top prospect.

A late 1st rounder is just not that valuable, as no reasonable person should have been saying "It doesnt matter who we get back as long as we get a pick where, historically speaking, we'd be lucky to get a serviceable NHLer". The calibre of the best prospect coming back was going to determine the success or failure of this deal. And by that scale, this was a terrible deal.

Honest to god, I would rather have had Kaspars Daugavins and Jussi Jokinen off of waivers, over the return that they actually got.

Well thank god you aren't the GM

[JazzyFlame]

Feaster handcuffed the flames, destroyed them worse then the Phaneuf or Regher deals.

Feaster by approaching Iginla about a trade destroyed any chance of him resigning in Calgary, backed Ignla in a corner from which Iggy turned the tables by playing the NMC/NTC hard. The bidding war did not matter.