[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by nik-

It is weird that you'd give a list of teams and then reject one of those teams in the end though.

Why? Two offers were on the table. Iginla made a choice.

It would only be weird if only Boston made an offer and was then rejected.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Don't know how I feel about Feaster. He has what must be one of the toughest GM job in the league trying to swing around a franchise heading in the wrong direction. Dealing Iginla today is part of cleaning up the mess D. Sutter left, so credit to him for doing the hard thing. I guess it will take a few years before we know how this turns out. Glad he has more patience than a good chunk of the fan base, because there are no quick fixes here.

Well put. You're a great poster.

Dealing the beloved franchise player when everybody knows its got to happen has to be about the most difficult thing a GM could have to do. There's no way Feaster could win this trade in the eyes of Flames fans, especially if the rumors that Iggy wanted the Pens or bust the whole way are true.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Why? Two offers were on the table. Iginla made a choice.

It would only be weird of only Boston made an offer and was then rejected.

Actually, Feaster said that three offers were on the table. Boston and Pittsburgh were two of the offers. The third team rumored to make an offer was LA.

[Caged Great]

Realistically, even if we got one of Mattaa or any of their other good prospects, fans would be just as pissed as they are because they couldn't replace their liking of Jarome. Unless it was Crosby coming back or something equally ridiculous, fans would be just as upset. It has nothing to do with the players we're getting but rather the emotions invested in Iginla.

[Caged Great]

What we have received in return from the penguins is close to what the Thrashers got for Marian Hossa.

Hopefully our guys turn out to be something useful.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Actually, Feaster said that three offers were on the table. Boston and Pittsburgh were two of the offers. The third team rumored to make an offer was LA.

I'm not sure I buy the alleged Bernier + 1st deal that is being bandied about. Have to think they would have taken that deal, unless Iginla flat out rejected LA.

[Skootenbeeten]

I have never heard of those 2 prospects.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'm not sure I buy the alleged Bernier + 1st deal that is being bandied about. Have to think they would have taken that deal, unless Iginla flat out rejected LA.

Yeah I'm not sure on that either. I just know it was three because Feaster mentioned he had 3 offers. Another rumor was that Detroit was the 3rd team. LA/Detroit are the only rumors I've heard on who the 3rd team was. And IMO, I think Iginla's 1st choice was Pittsburgh, then Boston, then LA/Chicago so I could see him flat out rejecting LA/Chicago as long as Pittsburgh and Boston made offers. It seems he rejected Boston which would have been a better deal for Calgary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

has nothing to do with it has to do with the return.
These prospects are ranked #10 and 12th on the Pens own depth chart for prospects.
People don't seem to get that.
PIT is mainly deep in D men prospects and these 2 forwards are projected maybe 3 line NHL players. Agostino 2nd in best case but not probable.
Hey its all about intellectual honesty, bullocks.

ranking is a matter of opinion...pretty sure you don't know what intellectual honesty means

[dino7c]

if the Boston 1st rounder was conditional its not a better deal...are you guys still taking what TSN says seriously

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Kept my mouth shut until now and glad I did. Lots of emotion tonight, and I don't want to be one of those guys who use this forum to vent.

Those who are bitter about not getting one of Maata, Harrington or Pouliot are not being very realistic IMO. If Iginla had another year on his contract, then maybe yes, but as a rental player for a few months I wasn't expected the tippity top of prospects in return. I think some people were expecting Seguin or Bennet back (lol!)

We don't really know what the Boston offer was, only what Ward/TSN reported it was, so it's hard to compare. If the pick from Boston was indeed a conditional first, then I like the Pittsburgh deal better (pretty much) regardless of the players involved.

Angry posters are using the fact that Agostino and Hanowski were drafted in the 3rd and 5th rounds. It doesn't matter. What matters is what these players have become today.

I'm sure the Flames management know who they're getting but I'll admit I have no friggin' clue so it's not really fair for me to judge the merits of this deal by these players. I like that these are unsigned NCAA prospects as the Flames still have flexibility under the 50-contract limit, and I expect that was an important part of the deal from Feaster and Wiesbrod's point of view because other deals are easier to do now if signed players are coming back.

The first round pick is key as it will have the best chance of being the best player in the return. For those poster saying the return Dallas got for Morrow was better, don't forget that Dallas downgraded their pick. Joe Morrow was a former first-rounder at #23 overall, and it could work out the Flames pick around the same spot with the first rounder in this deal.

Don't know how I feel about Feaster. He has what must be one of the toughest GM job in the league trying to swing around a franchise heading in the wrong direction. Dealing Iginla today is part of cleaning up the mess D. Sutter left, so credit to him for doing the hard thing. I guess it will take a few years before we know how this turns out. Glad he has more patience than a good chunk of the fan base, because there are no quick fixes here.

And finally: Go get that frikkin' cup, Iggy! Wish you could have done it here but it wasn't meant to be. And if you do win it all and want to return home I'll welcome you back with open arms.

Came on here to post this verbatim. You're the man BloodFetish. Excellent post and well thought out.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Those who are bitter about not getting one of Maata, Harrington or Pouliot are not being very realistic IMO. If Iginla had another year on his contract, then maybe yes, but as a rental player for a few months I wasn't expected the tippity top of prospects in return. I think some people were expecting Seguin or Bennet back (lol!)

Kaberle got Colbourne(16th Overall pick), a 1st and a 2nd back just a couple years ago.

You were saying?

[djsFlames]

Upon probably the twentieth visit to the main forum tonight, this thread title is still the craziest, scariest, most unbelievable thing I've ever read.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Kept my mouth shut until now and glad I did. Lots of emotion tonight, and I don't want to be one of those guys who use this forum to vent.

Those who are bitter about not getting one of Maata, Harrington or Pouliot are not being very realistic IMO. If Iginla had another year on his contract, then maybe yes, but as a rental player for a few months I wasn't expected the tippity top of prospects in return. I think some people were expecting Seguin or Bennet back (lol!)

We don't really know what the Boston offer was, only what Ward/TSN reported it was, so it's hard to compare. If the pick from Boston was indeed a conditional first, then I like the Pittsburgh deal better (pretty much) regardless of the players involved.

Angry posters are using the fact that Agostino and Hanowski were drafted in the 3rd and 5th rounds. It doesn't matter. What matters is what these players have become today.

I'm sure the Flames management know who they're getting but I'll admit I have no friggin' clue so it's not really fair for me to judge the merits of this deal by these players. I like that these are unsigned NCAA prospects as the Flames still have flexibility under the 50-contract limit, and I expect that was an important part of the deal from Feaster and Wiesbrod's point of view because other deals are easier to do now if signed players are coming back.

The first round pick is key as it will have the best chance of being the best player in the return. For those poster saying the return Dallas got for Morrow was better, don't forget that Dallas downgraded their pick. Joe Morrow was a former first-rounder at #23 overall, and it could work out the Flames pick around the same spot with the first rounder in this deal.

Don't know how I feel about Feaster. He has what must be one of the toughest GM job in the league trying to swing around a franchise heading in the wrong direction. Dealing Iginla today is part of cleaning up the mess D. Sutter left, so credit to him for doing the hard thing. I guess it will take a few years before we know how this turns out. Glad he has more patience than a good chunk of the fan base, because there are no quick fixes here.

And finally: Go get that frikkin' cup, Iggy! Wish you could have done it here but it wasn't meant to be. And if you do win it all and want to return home I'll welcome you back with open arms.

I need to quote this because a thanks just wasn't enough. Fantastic post.

Well except for the final sentiment, I can not get behind the Penguins under any circumstance. I hope Iginla produces and does well, but I still hope the Penguins lose every game.

[VictoryJuice]

Starting to really sink in now for me, but I'm happy that he now has a change to get the cup. I also think these 2 prospects could turn out good for us, I'm feeling optimistic about them. Soon to be 23 year old Hanowski is a big body that has good numbers and you don't get a lot of kids putting up more than ppg number in the NCAA (which he has in past years and close to this year.) As for Agostino he seems to be a guy who isn't afraid to go into the dirty areas to get goals, from what I've read anyways. Again putting up very solid numbers, plus he's a Junior I believe? I actually kind of like how there not 18 or 19 year olds, I've seen a lot of posters saying they are a few years away from being good NHLers. You never know, Hanowski is a senior so after the NCAA tournament im guessing he'll be signing a contract to join the Heat and maybe he gets called up for a game or 2 with he Flames towards the end of the year. I'm actually excited to see him play, cause we don't have many big forwards AND he can play centre which is nice. These two players now add to our slim prospect pool but we could have some gems here and I hope we do. Who cares if there not 1st round draft picks, people pay to much attention to that especially after a player was drafted. Plus the first round draft pick we also pick up will be nice especially in a deep draft year. All in all its a bittersweet night for me. I wanna see Sidney pass the cup to iggy. Joe Sakic, Bourque style.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Kaberle got Colbourne(16th Overall pick), a 1st and a 2nd back just a couple years ago.

You were saying?

Did he give his GM a list of just 4 teams to negotiate with? Did he ultimately get to decide which team he wanted to go to?

Not the same situation at all.

[Max Cow Disease]

Good post, BloodFetish, and the exact variety of level-headed approach that I'm attempting to take when looking at this situation. It was foreseen that the return in this trade, regardless, would be scoffed at by Flames fans at least in the interim, but I hope that we have enough collective patience to take a breath and see how this all plays out. Feaster's been at the butt-end of some major (occasionally cruel) negativity, but it's very true to say that the task of righting this ship is an arduous one, and will require the sort of patience that Ken King was calling for in his interview from a few weeks ago.

The trading of the captain shows, more so than the trading of any other player, that this franchise is gearing up for some fairly unprecedented change. This may be frustrating at times but Iggy finally gets a chance to find Stanley, and Flames fans are finally going to get the huge breath of fresh air they've been yearning for.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Kaberle got Colbourne(16th Overall pick), a 1st and a 2nd back just a couple years ago.

You were saying?

Gee, I wonder why Boston didn't offer that kind of massive overpayment this time around? Must have learned from their mistake, eh?

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Did he give his GM a list of just 4 teams to negotiate with? Did he ultimately get to decide which team he wanted to go to?

Not the same situation at all.

Iginla isn't in the same ball park as Kaberle, not even comparable. Iginla can be a downright dominate 1st line player and Kaberle is well Kaberle.

You guys are sure grasping at every straw to make a bad deal look like a good one. You barely even got a 1st round pick for a 40 goal scorer!

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I need to quote this because a thanks just wasn't enough. Fantastic post.

Well except for the final sentiment, I can not get behind the Penguins under any circumstance. I hope Iginla produces and does well, but I still hope the Penguins lose every game.

Well, the wife is a Crosby fan. When she thinks of Crosby her eyes go all dreamy and she breathily sighs "Sidneeeeee......"

Happy wife, happy life I guess.