[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[moon]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

English dude...

Really you can't add the of between sort and blind and understand what that means?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by puds

For those of you with selective memories who seem to think Iginla was on the first line for the entire 2010 olympics...

http://viewfrommyseats.com/2010/02/o...-combinations/
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/van.../12964866.html

Iginla was moved up to Crosby's line later in the tournament...

That's a great example of what a team guy Iginla is. He played whatever role was asked of him on that team, didn't whine and complain, slowly moved up the line up, by the last game was on the top line and ended up being on the tournament winning goal.

If Iginla goes to the Penguins I have little doubt he will play on any line he is asked to. I'm not even advocating splitting up Crosby's line. Iginla might play on the third line to start, maybe with Sutter. He'll shift in with Malkin, if an injury happens or Dupuis starts to talk off, he'll slot in with Crosby.

He's a team player who will do what he is asked. He just hasn't been asked to do anything but first line winger for the Flames because no one has ever come closing to being able to replace him. Not even at 35 years old.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Schultzie

...or a lot.

.... or to the extreme, a reoccuring nightmare I have while sleeping

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Did you seriously just compare Chris Kunitz to Bernie Nicholls?

Sigh.... look at the year Canada02 put in front of Nicholls name, then look at his scoring sheet from that year. Then you'd get what he was saying.

[Yorkshire Flame]

Originally Posted by Dion

.... or to the extreme, a reoccuring nightmare I have while sleeping

Please, make it stop!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Regardless how this all ends, once it does I hope this site has enough bandwidth to handle the flood of posts that are inevitably coming, one way or another.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That's a great example of what a team guy Iginla is. He played whatever role was asked of him on that team, didn't whine and complain, slowly moved up the line up, by the last game was on the top line and ended up being on the tournament winning goal.

If Iginla goes to the Penguins I have little doubt he will play on any line he is asked to. I'm not even advocating splitting up Crosby's line. Iginla might play on the third line to start, maybe with Sutter. He'll shift in with Malkin, if an injury happens or Dupuis starts to talk off, he'll slot in with Crosby.

He's a team player who will do what he is asked. He just hasn't been asked to do anything but first line winger for the Flames because no one has ever come closing to being able to replace him. Not even at 35 years old.

Iginla with Sutter is certainly not the worst thing that can happen to the Pens.

With Fleury there they are going to have to have games they score more than 4 goals to win. Put out 3 solid scoring lines won't hurt them.

The thing is they are poised to win now and Shero had shown that he is willing to pay to make that happen.

Winning now is better than keeping prospect to be okay 5 years from now for a team like Pittsburgh.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Nasty

This doesnt look very promising. I might just not have enough knowledge of some of these players but the best prospects in these example include: joe colburne, colby armstrong, ryan o'marra, scottie upshall. none of these players look like the replacing franchise guy. The draft pick seems more important in this scenario but even that usually ends up being a crap shoot.

what is the scenario to give up iggy and glencross for a guy like seguin. isnt that the kind of player we are hoping to draw out of this iggy trade.

The time for trading Iginla for a young player of the stature to replace him was 3-4 years ago. Niewendyk was 29 when he got Iginla back in a trade.

That's why some of us were so frustrated 3 seasons ago - the window was already closing and the state of the team today was entirely predictable. It's funny - and sad - to see fans finally waking up to the situation now and behaving as though Iginla was still 30 years old.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Regardless how this all ends, once it does I hope this site has enough bandwidth to handle the flood of posts that are inevitably coming, one way or another.

Wednesday or the days before if if Iginla gets dealt will be a disaster no matter what happens.

I was banned when Phaneuf was dealt but I think this will make that look like a regular Tuesday morning compared to Iginka being or not being traded.

[MissTeeks]

Comments from Mats Sundin on the Iginla situation:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/s...-to-his-heart/

Former Toronto Maple Leafs captain Mats Sundin knows all too well the feeling of playing under the pressure to waive a no-trade clause and leave the team you’ve spent over a decade with.
That’s why Sundin empathizes with the decision that faces Calgary Flames star Jarome Iginla heading into the April 3 NHL Trade Deadline.

“(No decision) is right or wrong,” Sundin told Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. “It’s just a very individual choice; you have to listen to your heart.”

The 42-year-old Swede said he felt at the time he was playing some of his best hockey — averaging just over a point per game — and was contributing to a team that was only a few points out of a playoff spot.
“I just couldn’t picture leaving my team… For me it was the right thing to do at the time,” Sundin said.
Ultimately Sundin chose not to waive his clause. He finished the season with the Leafs, who ended up missing the playoffs.
“There was pressure from everywhere to make a decision,” Sundin explained. “It would have been different if I had a smaller role on my team… right or wrong, I was having a great year and I didn’t want to give up on it.”

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

One time 50 goal man Rob Brown is a better comparison.
Without the Magnificent One he was barely an NHLer.

Brown was one-dimensional and soft as butter. Kunitz is a solid two-way player.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just because Kunitz can score at that pace with Crosby, it does not automatically conclude that Iginla would score as much or more. As we have all witnessed, Iginla does things on his own (and has been conditioned to do so by necessity). What Crosby needs are "yes man" wingers to go where he wants them.

A lot of people have the GWG at the Olympics on their mind, but Iginla and Crosby weren't clicking that well in general before that.

Thank cripes I'm not the only person who saw that. This myth if the extraordinary chemistry Crosby and Iginla shared is based off of one goal. They were kept together only because the Richards/Toews and Getzlaf/Nash lines were really clicking and Babcock didn't want to break them up.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The time for trading Iginla for a young player of the stature to replace him was 3-4 years ago. Niewendyk was 29 when he got Iginla back in a trade.

That's why some of us were so frustrated 3 seasons ago - the window was already closing and the state of the team today was entirely predictable. It's funny - and sad - to see fans finally waking up to the situation now and behaving as though Iginla was still 30 years old.

I wish I could thank this post multiple times. The time for trading Iginla and getting anything decent in return is long gone. I blame this on the blindness of team management and the thousands of fanatical flames fans that carried on like the sky would fall if Iggy was no longer a Flame.

Because of this, the road back to competitiveness is going to be long and difficult.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by moon

Iginla with Sutter is certainly not the worst thing that can happen to the Pens.

With Fleury there they are going to have to have games they score more than 4 goals to win. Put out 3 solid scoring lines won't hurt them.

The thing is they are poised to win now and Shero had shown that he is willing to pay to make that happen.

Winning now is better than keeping prospect to be okay 5 years from now for a team like Pittsburgh.

Morrow-Sutter-Iginla would be a fantastic 3rd line. Good in all three zones, tough to play against, and would make defensive matchups a nightmare for opposing coaches. Iginla might end up being more productive from that slotting than with Crosby, just because he'd see more time against bottom pairing defenseman.

[miraisoup]

@HackswithHaggs 3m
What should U gather from all this? Chiarelli very active on phone & having many conversations. Many options aside from Iginla

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Brown was one-dimensional and soft as butter. Kunitz is a solid two-way player.

He's 33 years old... never been close to PPG player and now suddenly he's at nearly 1.25 PPG. I wonder what's changed for him.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

@HackswithHaggs 3m
What should U gather from all this? Chiarelli very active on phone & having many conversations. Many options aside from Iginla

Need some Calgary media to start making up stuff about giant offers from Pittsburgh and LA to even this out.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Need some Calgary media to start making up stuff about giant offers from Pittsburgh and LA to even this out.

Or to say that Iginla added a couple of teams to his list. That 4 teams limit is going to hurt this deal.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

He's 33 years old... never been close to PPG player and now suddenly he's at nearly 1.25 PPG. I wonder what's changed for him.

50-60 point guys can be solid two-way players. A lot of all-time great lines have had a guy like that on them. Sure, Kunitz has benefited for playing with Crosby. But Crosby has also benefited from playing with him.

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

@HackswithHaggs 3m
What should U gather from all this? Chiarelli very active on phone & having many conversations. Many options aside from Iginla

Anyone know what other comparable options to Iginla might exisit?