[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[PeteMoss]

Everyone talking about Kunitz like he's some sensation... have we not learned a lesson from the guys who played with Sedins who suddenly become big goal scorers are useless after they leave. Crosby is the best player in the league... Kunitz and Dupuis are along for the ride.

[gargamel]

My problem with Bernier (or any other young but NHL-ready goalie) is that, given the mental fragility of pretty much everyone who plays that position, sticking him behind this Flames team would be a good way to ruin him. That's why I'd much rather get picks and skaters, or at least a goalie who is a few years away.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is anyone suggesting taking Kunitz off the left side?

If that line gets shifted because of Iginla it would be Dupuis, who plays the right wing on that line... but doesn't play on the power play with Crosby.

It's about the whole line.

I fully expect to be jumped on regardless of what I say, but they are the hottest line in hockey this year, partly because of their lunch bucket approach to three zone hockey.

I understand Iginla is an offensive upgrade on the right side, but would that line produce any more with Iginla on it over Dupuis? Debatable. Difficult to be any better than they already are, easy to upset things and not keep up that pace.

Dupuis has been on Crosby's wing on and off for a long time now, as room mates, I'd say there is probably a reason for that: Crosby likes playing with Dupuis.

For me, it comes down to many teams would like to add Iginla, but none are willing to pay the premium that Calgary is asking for.

Here's an article discussing their chemistry as a line. It's about familiarity and hard work:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl--si...205321063.html

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Everyone talking about Kunitz like he's some sensation... have we not learned a lesson from the guys who played with Sedins who suddenly become big goal scorers are useless after they leave. Crosby is the best player in the league... Kunitz and Dupuis are along for the ride.

2013 Chris Kunitz = 1988/89 Bernie Nicholls

[FAN]

Originally Posted by return to the red

He was?

When I saw that trade I thought Washington made out like Bandits on that one, and they did.

I thought Washington made out like Bandits because I thought the pick would be a sure-fire top 10 pick and possibly top 5. But I think it's been a fair trade so far. Varlamov was highly regarded at the time and was considered a #1 goalie but injury prone.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

2013 Chris Kunitz = 1988/89 Bernie Nicholls

One time 50 goal man Rob Brown is a better comparison.
Without the Magnificent One he was barely an NHLer.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's about the whole line.

I fully expect to be jumped on regardless of what I say, but they are the hottest line in hockey this year, partly because of their lunch bucket approach to three zone hockey.

I understand Iginla is an offensive upgrade on the right side, but would that line produce any more with Iginla on it over Dupuis? Debatable. Difficult to be any better than they already are, easy to upset things and not keep up that pace.

Dupuis has been on Crosby's wing on and off for a long time now, as room mates, I'd say there is probably a reason for that: Crosby likes playing with Dupuis.

For me, it comes down to many teams would like to add Iginla, but none are willing to pay the premium that Calgary is asking for.

I felt this way, though after speaking to a few Pens fans, they all seem to feel Iginla would be a large upgrade over Dupuis, and Dupuis moving down to the 3rd line would improve the whole team.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

2013 Chris Kunitz = 1988/89 Bernie Nicholls

Bernie Nicholls, the cente who played over a thousand games and scored over a point a game?

[Rudee]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I felt this way, though after speaking to a few Pens fans, they all seem to feel Iginla would be a large upgrade over Dupuis, and Dupuis moving down to the 3rd line would improve the whole team.

Penguins are not messing with the top line they have right now. Now way they are going to mess up the leagues best chemistry at this stage of the game. Iginla is slower, and his plus/minus has been in the minus for 4 of the past 5 years. Iggy's best days are behind him.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I felt this way, though after speaking to a few Pens fans, they all seem to feel Iginla would be a large upgrade over Dupuis, and Dupuis moving down to the 3rd line would improve the whole team.

Agreed. It's not about one line, Iginla gives them valuable depth for the playoffs. Maybe Iginla starts on the 2nd line, next game he's third maybe a winger goes down and Iginla goes with Crosby on the first.

Dupuis doesn't play with Crosby on the power play either. No matter what happens 5on5 that's where you'll see number 12 with number 87.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by timbit

Bernie Nicholls, the cente who played over a thousand games and scored over a point a game?

no, the Bernie Nicholls who increased his production by at least 50% playing with the greatest of all time

btw, was not disparaging either Kunitz or Nicholls. clearly both were good hockey players before they won the lottery, and got to play with the best players of their generation

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Penguins are not messing with the top line they have right now. Now way they are going to mess up the leagues best chemistry at this stage of the game. Iginla is slower, and his plus/minus has been in the minus for 4 of the past 5 years. Iggy's best days are behind him.

We got it, thanks.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Everyone talking about Kunitz like he's some sensation... have we not learned a lesson from the guys who played with Sedins who suddenly become big goal scorers are useless after they leave. Crosby is the best player in the league... Kunitz and Dupuis are along for the ride.

Originally Posted by Canada 02

2013 Chris Kunitz = 1988/89 Bernie Nicholls

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

One time 50 goal man Rob Brown is a better comparison.
Without the Magnificent One he was barely an NHLer.

Kunitz was a 20+ goal 50-60 point guy as a Duck and he has managed the same as a Penguin. Definitely a forward any team can benefit from having.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Penguins are not messing with the top line they have right now. Now way they are going to mess up the leagues best chemistry at this stage of the game.

But what if they could get Rico Fata?

That kid can skate like the wind.

[JazzyFlame]

Rudee:

[FlamesAddiction]

Just because Kunitz can score at that pace with Crosby, it does not automatically conclude that Iginla would score as much or more. As we have all witnessed, Iginla does things on his own (and has been conditioned to do so by necessity). What Crosby needs are "yes man" wingers to go where he wants them.

A lot of people have the GWG at the Olympics on their mind, but Iginla and Crosby weren't clicking that well in general before that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Penguins are not messing with the top line they have right now. Now way they are going to mess up the leagues best chemistry at this stage of the game. Iginla is slower, and his plus/minus has been in the minus for 4 of the past 5 years. Iggy's best days are behind him.

they were lookin' good last year too, how did the playoffs turn out?

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by moon

The draft picks while not superstars give a lot of hope.

Lucic, Ennus, Sbisa, Perron would all be great pieces to add to this team if we can get those type of guys from our draft picks acquired.

That's kind of what I've been thinking. The picks Calgary gèts for Iggy obviously won't be high. The potential superstar picks will be the Flames own picks which could be high for awhile...to say the least.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's about the whole line.

I fully expect to be jumped on regardless of what I say, but they are the hottest line in hockey this year, partly because of their lunch bucket approach to three zone hockey.

I understand Iginla is an offensive upgrade on the right side, but would that line produce any more with Iginla on it over Dupuis? Debatable. Difficult to be any better than they already are, easy to upset things and not keep up that pace.

Dupuis has been on Crosby's wing on and off for a long time now, as room mates, I'd say there is probably a reason for that: Crosby likes playing with Dupuis.

For me, it comes down to many teams would like to add Iginla, but none are willing to pay the premium that Calgary is asking for.

Here's an article discussing their chemistry as a line. It's about familiarity and hard work:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl--si...205321063.html

Sure but they had great chemistry last year and when it came to the play-offs with tougher match-ups and more line matching it wasn't enough.

Adding Iginla gives them so much more flexibility and much more likelihood to have play-off success.

In 2 years when Ollie Maata might be good enough to make your team are you still going to be a Stanley cup favorite? Is he good enough to make a real difference to a team in a play-off series like Iginla could?

What is more likely Dupuis keeping up this career year numbers or running into a slump?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

Completely disagree. Not receiving any assets for him would be a disaster. This is not hyperbole. It would be another sign of how poorly this team is run. Any asset is better than no asset, that is the foundation good teams are built on. Iginla simply has no more value to this team, aside from sentimental value, which in this case should mean nothing. With that in mind, it is absolutely imperative the team receive something, anything, in return.

That's almost exactly hyperbole.